Math Invented vs Discovered

The cluster debates whether mathematics is a human invention or a discovery of inherent universal truths, and explores its abstract nature versus its modeling of physical reality.

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umanwizard Sep 2, 2017 View on HN

Math isn't directly about the concrete universe; it's an abstraction.

saagarjha Aug 31, 2020 View on HN

Math is not reality. It's an abstract concept that we've built up on top of axioms.

backprojection Jun 7, 2015 View on HN

Strictly speaking, math it self isn't intended to reflect reality. It's just logical system together with some initial axioms. But it does happen to model reality very well, given the right interpretations.

cristianpascu Nov 13, 2012 View on HN

Math and Physics are two very different realms. There's no a apriori reason for anything in the real world to obey a law or regularity. The fact that it does is amazing. The fact that we are able to think it's amazing is mind blowing. :)

devilduck Sep 16, 2020 View on HN

Possibly because math is a human invention and not actually "the language of the universe" or whatever

drdeca Mar 31, 2021 View on HN

Because mathematics doesn’t have to be about the world?

MaximumYComb Aug 20, 2019 View on HN

Math is a description of our reality. If we discovered something that math couldn't explain we'd expand math to explain it.

satvikpendem Oct 15, 2021 View on HN

You are misunderstanding my point. Mathematics is not related to the natural world at all. 1 plus 1 will equal 2 regardless of whether there is a universe to experience it. It turns out certain types of math are useful to us, it doesn't mean that all types are. For example, infinite numbers exist, but the natural world cannot have an infinite or infinitessimal amount of things, there are upper and lower limits. Does that mean infinities don't exist? Of course not.

m101 May 10, 2025 View on HN

Perhaps one only needs to realise that reality is not mathematics?

otakucode Jun 12, 2018 View on HN

There is value in comparing mathematics to reality even though mathematics is defined entirely independent to reality. We are able to use mathematics to model certain aspects of reality with great effectiveness.... why? Physical reality does not seem to resemble mathematical notions at all, yet shows some of the same results. Understanding that gap would be of monumental significance.