Pre-iPhone Smartphones

Discussions highlight smartphones from Nokia, BlackBerry, Palm, and others that predated the iPhone, debating Apple's role as innovator versus popularizer through superior design, ecosystem, and marketing.

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2011
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2012
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2013
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2014
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2015
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2020
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Sample Comments

29athrowaway Jul 28, 2024 View on HN

Apple wasn't even the second mover. There were many smartphones and pocket PCs from a myriad of vendors by the time the iPhone appeared.

jrochkind1 May 2, 2019 View on HN

There were smartphones before the iPhone?

nvm0n2 Sep 14, 2023 View on HN

People thought mobile phones were a mature market before the iPhone.

jsjohnst Dec 7, 2016 View on HN

Apple didn't invent the smartphone either. Smartphones existed for years before, Apple arguably just was the first to make something that the "masses" would want to use.Same thing will likely apply here too.

waffletower May 21, 2025 View on HN

At the time of the public debut of the first generation iPhone (January 2007), the statement "lots of companies were making smart phones with similar specs" is objectively false. Further, there were zero companies making comparable large touchscreen, large cpu phones outside of Apple at the time.

simonh Jun 25, 2013 View on HN

There were smartphones years before the iPhone, even ones with touchscreens and no keyboard. There were tablets decades before the iPad. There were online application market places years before the App Store. Apple doesn't often do anything first, they just do it 'right', and that means taking time and thinking it through.

mrtksn Jun 9, 2023 View on HN

Apple’s implementation appears years ahead of anyone else. Just the way iPhone was when introduced.Back in the day Nokia, Siemens, Blackberry, Palm and Ericsson had smartphones that you could do everything that iPhone could do or even more.These were devices that only those who have to use it or those who are techno nerds used it.When Apple introduced their implementation of smartphone, those who were using the devices from the established companies dismissed the iPhone as gimmick or in

floppydisk Feb 3, 2016 View on HN

Nokia had a clunky version of a smartphone on the market for years before Apple launched the iPhone. Apple iterated on the idea, but they didn't create it. Similarly, Blackberry was already there. Didn't have touch screens but they had most of the major functions of a "smartphone" like email, messaging, etc. The category already existed in many ways, Apple fantastically riffed on it.

actinium226 Aug 2, 2025 View on HN

It's pretty on brand for Apple, I'm surprised they hadn't pushed this narrative harder earlier.There were smartphones before the iPhone. Consider the IPAQ and Windows Mobile 6.0.And of course plenty of MP3 players before iPod.

mirekrusin Jan 27, 2022 View on HN

Exactly, we had "smartphones" before iphone as well and nobody did care.