Netflix ISP Peering Disputes

The cluster focuses on debates about whether Netflix should pay ISPs like Comcast and Verizon for bandwidth delivery to customers, including peering agreements, transit costs, rejected caching offers, and net neutrality implications.

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mathnmusic Sep 15, 2018 View on HN

And Netflix is already paying their ISPs. All traffic has been paid for. What's the actual problem?

pedrocr Mar 25, 2015 View on HN

They are huge companies so they can probably also provide transit service but that's not the case in this dispute. Netflix is willing to deliver the content anywhere Verizon/Comcast/etc require it either directly or by hiring a transit provider. So Netflix doesn't want transit service from these ISPs, it's already paying or building that by itself. The user is also already paying for the ISP network to work, so all segments of the network are already properly paid for on

wudf Feb 24, 2014 View on HN

"Comcast is getting paid by Netflix? I want to be paid by Netflix too!" -every other ISP

giovannibajo1 Apr 25, 2014 View on HN

Netflix doesn't have a "primary ISP", they are a network. They would like to freely peer to networks and ISPs that they can physically reach (e.g.: US ISPs), and they are happy to pay carriers for transit, that is bringing their traffic elsewhere in the world where they don't have a physical presence.Most large ISPs won't freely peer with Netflix though; that's actually an industry standard, because peering is usually regulated by some kind of traffic balance bet

jasonjayr Sep 26, 2023 View on HN

Netflix pays their upstream ISP to saturate the link they pay for.Why should Verizon, Comcast and others demand payment from Netflix?They are connecting customers to the internet, and should be peered to IXs that can feed what their customers need. Netflix even offers to put caches on the ISPs network to lighten the burden on their IX uplink.It will get untenable if every random ISP charges each content provider.

wippler Feb 8, 2011 View on HN

I am pretty sure that Netflix pays to ISP's properly for all the outbound traffic from their data centers, problem mainly originates when a bunch of users from same area hog up the network with streaming services - then they might want to charge those users.And I don't understand why they want to do that also. They are enjoying near monopoly and are getting paid by the mild users also. ISPs should monitor spikes in usage and adjust the infrastructure accordingly.

tzs Mar 25, 2015 View on HN

Netflix does pay for their bandwidth. They pay their ISP for it. What you are missing is that Comcast is not Netflix's ISP, and Netflix does not use any of Comcast's bandwidth.When a Comcast customer uses their Comcast internet connection to use Netflix, or Google, or HN, or any other site, it is that customer who is using Comcast's bandwidth. It is not Netflix, Google, or HN using it.

wmf Feb 4, 2017 View on HN

Netflix and Riot Games are paying ISPs, not vice versa. I guess they aren't the king after all.

twoodfin May 15, 2014 View on HN

Don't allow ISPs to discriminate against users regarding their already paid for internet traffic based on what they request.It's (relatively) cheap for Netflix or their CDN partners to connect their content-serving systems to a few dozen "meet me" rooms where it's "easy" for Comcast to hook as many wires up as necessary to receive the requested data into their network at an acceptable rate. That's all Netflix or their CDNs need to worry about. An

dangrossman Apr 25, 2014 View on HN

All internet services pay for their bandwidth, they don't get paid to be online. Usually that means paying a hosting company, which pays a data center, which pays some transit provider like Cogent or Level 3 to get onto the internet. Netflix was paying Cogent to link it to the internet. Now Netflix's servers are directly linked to Comcast, so Comcast is connecting it to the internet [ed: to Comcast's customers], and that's who they're paying instead.Why would they wan