Trans Women in Sports
The cluster discusses the fairness of transgender women (biological males) competing in women's sports categories, emphasizing biological advantages from male puberty and testosterone, and debating the purpose of sex-segregated competitions.
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Are women actually disallowed from competing in the men’s version?
I think sport is a a exemple on why gender is a bad measure.Why are we doing separate competitions for men and women? Because men have physical differences that give them a significant advantage on many sports. For simplicity purpose I will assume this is only because they generate more testosterone though I'm sure it's more complicated.So people generating more testosterone have a significant advantage on sports. Why should then we care wether they are men or women, whatever tha
The issue is that if you get rid of the male/female bracket - you’re going to never see women win almost any sports at all. As soon as men go through puberty - most women are at a significant biological disadvantage. Turns out, some women like sports and like to compete. They don’t want to compete against men because it’s very lopsided and unfair due to biology.
The trans person's intent doesn't matter. What matters is that they are inserting themselves into female competition at an immense advantage. The fact of the matter is that if you allow biological men into female competition, females will never win anything. That is literally why there are sex separated sports. Females cannot compete with males at the highest level of sport, this is just a fact. I don't think we should be destroying the sports dreams of half the population to appe
Women should be able to compete against other women to the exclusion of males. Simple as that.
First of all, why is there male and female to begin with? Why dont we just have non-discriminatory competitions? If the answer is that no women can compete against the top male competitors. There is a biological difference between the sexes.There's 2 good videos on this subject.Joe Rogan on Fallon Fox. This is his domain of expertise and he clearly argues that there are sports in which trans shouldn't be able to compete against women.Neil Degrasse Tyson interviewed Joanna Harp
In many sports there is actually no rule that forbid women to joining the other championship.The reason a separate women sport exist is the same as why there are weight brackets in boxing, to allow athletes that score lower in brute-metrics to compete reasonably. Trans women would be less of an issue if women sports did not exist.(Trans men are a different issue if they take hormones, as that often fall under doping technically)
AFAICT this ruling basically only applies to XY women with high testosterone levels. XXY men (who would have low T levels) still compete against other men, and XXX women (with less than typical T levels even for women) compete with other women. There are many other variations though, but I do’t know any other than XY(f.) which would endanger gender separation in sports.Note that trans women (m->f) get to compete with other women. That’s part of the unfairness here. A male athlete can surgi
They're already out of top sport by virtue of not being able to compete against people who are actually at the top of the sport. Really we should be coming up with better ways to divide "top sport" than gender. Weight class, for example. Or just skill level/rankings regardless of gender and stop acting like #1 in both things is the same.
I do not consider it disrespectful to state someone's sex, particularly when it's relevant to the topic.Consider my original comment on this thread:"Most of the actual work to stop males from competing in women's sports, through evidence-guided changes in policy, has been driven by female athletes who are directly affected by this, feminists and feminist allies, scientists that study sex differences, and experts in the philosophy of sport.That it's bec