Decline of Job Stability
The cluster debates the historical shift from stable, lifetime employment with pensions in the mid-20th century to today's gig economy, service jobs, automation, and outsourcing, questioning if low-end jobs have truly disappeared or evolved.
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Which low end jobs ceased to exist?
You sound like a twenty-something whose historical perspective is lacking. It's been several generations, probably more, since that kind of job (expected lifetime employment with pension) has been widespread.
You sound like a twenty-something whose historical perspective is lacking. It's been at least several generations, probably more, since that kind of job (expected lifetime employment with pension) has been widespread.
In all fairness, most desk jobs that existed in the 50's and 60's are now heavily consolidated (it now takes one journalist and Google what it used to take 10 to do). And most factory work is either also heavily consolidated or moved overseas.Would the words "service economy" even make sense back then?
As the need for cog-in-the-machine factory workers declined over the years, the labor force moved to industries like service, construction, transportation, and technology. My understanding is that if you could take a 2023 UPS driver or WalMart employee back in time and give them a day working at a factory in 1930 or 1970, they would eagerly return to the present. And those modern jobs exist today at such great scale in large part due to automation eliminating the old factory jobs (i.e., allowing
Maybe the "go get a job and sacrifice your whole life to it" mentality from the 1950s has finally shaken out of the system. Maybe the rise of the gig economy has made workers realize, hey, wait a minute, I have VALUE to the company, I don't have to act like a serf.
If you watched that, you enjoyed a phenomenal amount of privilege. That is much more of a marketing pitch about the past than anything that actually existed. In fact, in macro terms (even adjusting for statistical differe
Man, times sure have changed. Right now people would kill for that extra shift.
Jobs have rapidly been disappearing for 250 years, consistently resulting in equally rapidly increasing living standards.You have to (1) demonstrate that you understand how this very counterintuitive historical fact happened and (2) give a plausible theory for why it's different now, for me to even begin taking talk like this seriously.
It's impressive, but keep in mind that most of our parents and grandparents had a job for life decades ago. Times are much different now. Things change so much faster. Companies die faster. We have many more job options, entrepreneurship, and so on.