Communism Failure Debate

Not really. Different communist states have had different goals at different times. For example, nobody here is proposing collectivized agriculture (collectivized compute programming?), or purges of people perceived to be members of the bourgeois class.

Yes. Although the some people would disagree. I think if every time you try something it doesn't work and then people justify that by saying, "you didn't do it right", it probably tells you more about the quality of the idea than the abilities of the implementors.Here are some of the things communists advocate for:1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.3. Abolition of

Just want to mention that actual communism has never been implemented on any significant scale, the Soviet Union for example never reached communism, arguably never even really reached socialism.Marx suggested that communism will only emerge after the failure of capitalism. Every single communist regime has ignored this idea.While I agree that many countries who have followed communist ideas have done some horrible things, the same can be said for every other system, including the current

Sounds like communism. It has failed in China and USSR when they abolished the landlords. And now they revive landlords and fully embraced capitalism. I guess they did it wrong. We can do it better this time. Make Karl Great Again.

Both China and the USSR conducted mass collectivation, land reform, commune models among other things to move away from capitalism to a communist model of public ownership. They even killed dissidents, violently oppressed public protests and starved their own people in the attempt.And it was a massive failure.It's a "no true Scotsman" fallacy because as long as attempts at moving to a communism model fail, supporters will just say "that wasn't true communism"

Also communism is fine, a few failed implementations don't prove the opposite.

None, as you well know. But it has been the result when self-proclaimed communists succeed in taking control of a state.The well-known phrase "it wasn't real communism" comes to mind because it applies and is true, since of course these results have never followed to the letter Marx's doctrine and intentions. But given the pattern of authoritarian states that follow every attempt at communism it is logical to conclude that the plan as stated simply does not survive in any

we've tried utopian societies before. they have never worked. we've tried socialism and it mostly doesn't work that well. communism looks great on paper and it has been a failure. why do people still continue to believe this is the way things should be?

you've just described a communist utopia. I think we can all agree that this wonderful pipe dream has not been proven to work at scale in practice. Theoretically it's a great idea of course, which is why a quarter of the world tried it.

Exactly this. It's why the former communist countries had nothing to do with Karl Marx's communism and why people say "real communism has never been tried".Those "communists" who came to power there didn't distribute the wealth to the people, but came to power to pocket it themselves by replacing the monarchies who had all the wealth and power previously to them, but still kept the folk enslaved at gunpoint. You basically switched one undemocratic oppressive