Encryption Ban Debate

The cluster centers on arguments against banning or weakening encryption, frequently adapting the gun control slogan 'if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns' to claim that only criminals would use strong encryption.

📉 Falling 0.5x Security
3,022
Comments
19
Years Active
5
Top Authors
#8710
Topic ID

Activity Over Time

2008
1
2009
12
2010
22
2011
20
2012
49
2013
93
2014
52
2015
268
2016
396
2017
203
2018
108
2019
317
2020
298
2021
241
2022
234
2023
294
2024
164
2025
243
2026
7

Keywords

laquadrature.net E2EE USG CP encryption criminals outlaw law enforcement law enforcement guns communications end end end encryption

Sample Comments

intrasight • Feb 2, 2023 • View on HN

borrowing from gun reasoning, if encryption is made a crime, then only criminals will use encryption.

sharemywin • Dec 9, 2015 • View on HN

if you outlaw encryption then don't only criminals have encryption?

perl4ever • Dec 13, 2019 • View on HN

"The moment the government of a country makes it illegal for chatting apps to use encryption, the criminals are just going to roll their own crypto."This is copied & pasted from anti-gun control arguments and is ignoring the excruciatingly obvious in exactly the same way.Sure, criminals don't obey the law. But the reason prohibiting "regular citizens" from doing something helps stop criminals from doing that thing is because they will stand out more and have fe

autoreleasepool • Feb 22, 2016 • View on HN

Encryption is either secure or it isn't. You can't have a middle ground. It's unfortunate that under rare, and very particular circumstances criminals can perhaps evade crimes because they have access encryption, but it's also unfortunate that they can get away with crimes because they have access to guns, knives, vaults, cars, basements, gasoline, matches, duck tape, chain saws, shovels, etc...Yet we don't cripple the effectiveness of these items for the sake of prev

layer8 • Aug 14, 2025 • View on HN

The argument regarding general use of encryption for communication is that (a) law enforcement private keys would leak sooner or later, suddenly exposing everyone’s past communication, and that (b) criminals would just use “forbidden” encryption (“if x is outlawed, only outlaws will use x”).

gotoeleven • Jan 19, 2021 • View on HN

Encryption can be used for bad things too I hope they ban it.

jruohonen • Nov 24, 2023 • View on HN

You can't make this stuff up. Ref:https://www.laquadrature.net/en/2023/06/05/criminalization-o...

malwrar • Sep 23, 2020 • View on HN

Guns are controversial because they kill things and are thus a weapon. Encryption cannot kill anyone, if anything it is a shield. It’s also an infinitely replicable shield, and one that is omnipresent.I don’t think anyone believes they can ban it, but like tax evasion it’s probably going to be a nice excuse they can use to catch the people they don’t like that do use it. For the rest of us, don’t worry—they’ll make sure you’re always safe and no criminals would exploit your unencrypted commun

brokenmachine • Mar 27, 2017 • View on HN

This.If we outlaw encryption, then only outlaws will have encryption.

wnevets • Jul 15, 2023 • View on HN

If you outlaw encryption only outlaws will have encryption