Race vs Class Debate

Racial discrimination in the US significant enough that, for example, merely having a "Black" name leads to worse results from job applications, regardless of other factors [1]. Merely focusing on wealth levels won't counteract that kind of effect.[1]: http

Are we really grouping all black people in one group here? The only thing that matters is income in the US. A poor white and a poor black have a lot in common, and the reason why we tend to have poorer black vs whites is because of lasting damage from institutional racism over the last century that precluded many opportunities contemporary whites had to begin building generational wealth. It’s that simple. That being said, generational wealth among the black population has been building all this

Correlation is not causation, HN should know this. The problem is down to injustices from long ago, and a lack of ability to build generational wealth stemming from that historical racism. It doesn't mean that race is the defining factor.

This is a very popular argument on HN.Its premise is that there isn't a legacy of race-based discrimination that penalized non-white people and that is still felt today. That's, if not an extraordinary claim, at least a sweeping one: within my lifetime, there were whole areas of my home city that blacks were preventing from owning homes in, and even today, comparing a white and black family of identical incomes, the black family will live in a neighborhood where the average income i

Since you've already admitted that you aren't actually from the US, which of the following do you believe / not believe:1. The US has social programs and educational programs that assist economically underprivileged people in racially independent ways2. In the US, there are particularities of racial relations and history that make groups like Native and African American populations particularly underserved even when accounting for economic status3. Social programs

It’s more a socio-economic thing than racist I think. It’s disproportionately affects you the lower on the wealth heiarchy you are.

In the US, race is very much tied to socioeconomic status and class.It's not a 100% indicator, but its essentially what the quoteunquote CRT in schools was meant to show.Many black communities are not poor simply because they're poor, but of on-the-books policies of redlining, discrimination, and overpolicing that enabled a wealth gap to form in the post-war period. Many white families were able to buy houses, build generational wealth, etc while many black communities were preve

Yes, it's actually pretty simple. Non-white groups lag in almost all economic categories. The fed publishes a lot of this data[1], you can see for yourself. There are also lots of other things to look at, like rate of incarceration. The effect is real, and there are basically two explanations: Either it's due to systemic oppression, or its due to non-white racial groups being inherently inferior. Unless you're racist, only one of those explanations is valid.[1]: here's a l

Sometimes I think the race is brought in by the elites to divide us. Bill Gates and Beyoncé have more in common than Bill Gates and an Appalachian coal miner. Also, a white Appalachian coal miner has more in common with a black inner city grocery store employee than they do with Bill Gates.The biggest factor keeping someone from succeeding in the US, is intergenerational poverty, not skin color. Black and brown immigrants have high success rates in America, because they do not have intergener

In the US the two are intertwined because historical discrimination produced reduced chances for black people to make it into the middle and upper class, and this is a generational effect. Consequentially things that discriminate against the working class will also discriminate against historically discriminated minorities.