WhatsApp E2EE Debate

The cluster focuses on debates about WhatsApp's end-to-end encryption claims, trustworthiness due to Facebook ownership, closed-source concerns, potential backdoors, and metadata privacy issues.

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jandorn β€’ Dec 6, 2021 β€’ View on HN

WhatsApp is end to end encrypted, but its owned by Facebook who can’t be trusted so it does not preserve privacy at all.

BlueTemplar β€’ Nov 8, 2020 β€’ View on HN

WhatsApp is closed source, isn't it? What kind of assurance do we have that these messages still aren't regularly sent to Facebook, unencrypted ?

HappyTypist β€’ May 3, 2016 β€’ View on HN

Whatsapp is end to end encrypted and won't have the data.

jackbrookes β€’ Oct 30, 2019 β€’ View on HN

WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted.

jcfrei β€’ Jul 19, 2023 β€’ View on HN

Just because whatsapp says it's end-to-end encrypted doesn't mean that they don't have access to your (locally generated) keys.

mrkeen β€’ Dec 9, 2024 β€’ View on HN

Whatsapp makes the claim the messages/calls are end-to-end encrypted.(But the app is also running on each end, where the unencrypted messages live. There's nothing stopping that app from sharing those messages directly with FB.)

xorax β€’ Feb 22, 2025 β€’ View on HN

WhatsApp isn't more a end-to-end-to-adds "encryption" ?

hatenberg β€’ Apr 25, 2020 β€’ View on HN

Because WhatsApp is not end to end encrypted. /s

netzone β€’ Apr 17, 2018 β€’ View on HN

Wasn't it WhatsApp that sent a key back to Facebook servers? Technically it's end-to-end encrypted, but Facebook could decrypt it if they really wanted to.

mtgx β€’ Feb 14, 2020 β€’ View on HN

WhatsApp lacks authentication by default.Also, WhatsApp sometimes doe use a server key to encrypt your messages instead of e2e encryption, which basically means that if FB wanted to they could listen in on some communications at will (such as at request of law enforcement, etc):https://www.theguardian.com/technology/20