Starship Engine Ignition Failure

Discussions center on technical reasons for multiple Raptor engines failing to ignite during a Starship Super Heavy booster launch, such as igniter fluid depletion, propellant issues, hypersonic reentry effects, and comparisons to Falcon 9 and other rocket engines.

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arctor_bob • Oct 9, 2017 • View on HN

There's no "idle thrust" on Falcon 9 since even the lowest thrust is enough to lift the almost empty booster. You also don't want to completely run out of fuel because your engine will probably explode. This was just a residual fire.

waynenilsen • Nov 14, 2023 • View on HN

The bright exhaust is from the solid rocket boosters not the hydrolox engines it's somewhat misleading for the target audience

woodandsteel • Feb 13, 2018 • View on HN

From what I understand, the problem was because the second burn was when the rocket was going tail-first through the atmosphere at hypersonic speed, and much faster than a Falcon 9 booster.That's a problem because the amount of igniter fluid depends on the air pressure in the rocket chamber, and it was not possible to determine this exactly beforehand through either testing or modeling. So they took a guess and it turned out wrong, but they got lots of data on the rocket chamber pressure

valuearb • Dec 23, 2020 • View on HN

Those side boosters burning out before main stage, and hanging on as dead weight seems pretty inefficient.

XorNot • Jun 6, 2024 • View on HN

Honestly wondering if that's a Stage 0 issue: those outer engines get primed by the launch ring AFAIK.

simonh • Feb 7, 2018 • View on HN

The rocket ran out of engine igniter fluid. It had enough to light the centre engine, but not the two side engines.That seems to imply they were trying to do a 3-engine landing, which they tested recently in the 'failed to expend the rocket' incident. This might explain why they miscalculated the igniter requirement since they don't have much experience with 3-engine landings.

jccooper • Jul 22, 2014 • View on HN

They will. It's not been seen to be a problem before, so they went with the simplest solution. In rockets, every ounce counts. Now they know it happens (at least sometimes) in this very novel flight regime, they'll do something about it--the linked post even says so explicitly.

Ductapemaster • Jun 6, 2024 • View on HN

I’m not a rocket scientist but I do know the two rockets use different propellants. The Atlas V uses solid propellant, and the Starship uses liquid. I know liquid engines have the ability to throttle them, and I would guess solid does not (or a more limited capacity) so that could be at play here. Starship could ignite and then throttle up, which would leave it on the pad longer. I’m sure someone more knowledgeable than I can clarify!

grecy • May 24, 2024 • View on HN

Apparently they use raptor exhaust gas to pressurize tanks, and it is speculated the filters are getting clogged from the water vapour in the exist gas freezing.Also, that rocket was always destined to be throw away, just like SLS 1 and 2. Purely test articles.

je42 • Oct 25, 2017 • View on HN

how does this compare to Space-X Raptor engines ?