Firing for Political Views
The cluster debates whether companies should fire, refuse to hire, or work with individuals based on their expressed political, ideological, or social beliefs, such as racism, sexism, homophobia, or support for controversial figures like Trump.
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Yes. We're allowed to judge people for the things they do and so, and decide we don't want to work with them. He's allowed his, and we're allowed ours. Many people are not interested with working with people that hold these world views, not when they have influence over the career progression of others.
bold? as long as there is no discrimination going on they can do what they want. the problem is, there is plenty of discrimination going on. maybe you don’t care because you work there. good for you. sooner or later, it will matter to you.
Yes, absolutely, some of those views should cost you your job. I don't want to work with people who want to eradicate Jews, or think black people are subhuman, or believe women are beneath men. If I found out someone on my team held those beliefs, I would definitely act to remove them. That's just not compatible with the type of environment I try to create at work.I haven't seen a single example of someone who was fired because it turned out that they were a fan of trickle-down
You’re taking an uncharitable interpretation of the comments you’re responding to, and I suspect that this might be part of the reason why the author of those bowed out of the conversation. And because of this, I think you haven’t really done your position justice at all, because you think they’re attacking your freedom of speech but really their argument is not that.I think perhaps it might make a bit more sense if you replace “marriage rights” with something such as “right to life”, which m
Why? Is it that you don't want to work for anybody that holds different views or that you are afraid that he might discriminate?As far as I know there were no accusations of Eich treating anybody differently. Just because he opposed something doesn't mean any worker under him was discriminated against.Do you work for yourself? If not, do you know the views held by every person you work for? Do you know for a fact that none of them hold similar views to Eich and just haven't
Exactly, that's discrimination on the grounds of political views.Congratulations, you're against European human rights and against the law of some US states.For the records, even if you hold this opinion, I personally wouldn't care and I would hire you based on how you perform at the interview (or keep you hired if you're an employe of mine). I definitely wouldn't associate with you in public, though (nothing personal, I just don't share your values) - and tha
> So, what, do we hire first grade teachers to be brain surgeons and wait to fire them until they kill a patient? Its preposterous to say that we can't look at past behavior and use it to judge someone's fitness for a job.This is a blatant straw man. Of course people skills and abilities must be considered. At all points in this discussion I have only focused on employee's political behavior. The notion that I have stated that candidates' skills should not be taken into
The problem is that some people's mere existence is political. If you're trans, gay, black or muslim (for example) someone arguing against who you are is not a theoretical debate.If a coworker was saying or acting in an anti-semitic way (possibly not even consciously), I would absolutely feel unsafe as a Jew in a company that told me "that's just their beliefs, you don't have to agree with their politics". I would call that out on the company slack & if they
> If I were your employer, I would definitely consider firing you because I do not believe my company should employ people who are tolerant of racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia and political violence.But where does that end? You could use that against line of reasoning against literally any political topic.You could just as easily say, "I would definitely consider firing you for being pro-choice, because I do not believe my company should employ people who are tolerant
Forewarning, the following isn't an opinion that I hold:To play devil's advocate, what makes it right for certain groups to be able to be preferred over others? How come perceived racists, homophobes, and anti-semites are pushed out and the subjects of their hate allowed to stay?What if we flipped your statement around. "As a misogynist, I could not work with a woman. As a homophobe, I could not work with an out homosexual. As a an outspoken anti-semite, I could not work wit