Fiduciary Duty Profit Maximization

Comments debate the misconception that corporations and directors have a strict legal fiduciary duty to maximize shareholder profits or value, often citing case law like Dodge v. Ford and legal analyses debunking it.

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em-bee β€’ May 23, 2020 β€’ View on HN

there is no duty to shareholders to maximise profits.see the references in this post:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16171149

chalst β€’ Oct 5, 2021 β€’ View on HN

My regular reminder that there is no fiduciary duty to behave unethically. Fiduciary duty is a class of highly specific legal obligations on directors to act attentively and not put their own financial interests above those of shareholders. It is not an obligation to maximise return on investment.Cf. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20776770

telchar β€’ Jan 3, 2018 β€’ View on HN

No, the fiduciary duty the company has to shareholders is vague in this regard and practically speaking they can define the shareholders interest broadly, for example maximising returns at some indeterminate point in the far future. Shareholders can try to sue over this but almost certainly would lose the suit unless real malfeasance is uncovered. IANAL though.

officialchicken β€’ Feb 17, 2023 β€’ View on HN

This is an oft repeated misrepresentation. In the US, case-law shows there is a fiduciary duty to the corporation itself, not the shareholders. And there are no laws or regulations which require the maximization of profits.

dinero_rojo β€’ Jan 11, 2024 β€’ View on HN

Fairly certain he’s referring to Dodge v. Ford Motor Company, where it was established that a company needs to operate in the best interests of shareholders above all else.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.?wprov=...

prottog β€’ Nov 9, 2022 β€’ View on HN

> You are required to maximize stockholder valueThis is legal fiction that has no bearing in the kinds of subjects that it often gets brought up in. Simply put, those responsible for a company (e.g. officers of a corporation) have a fiduciary duty towards its owners (e.g. the shareholders), and it means that the owners would have legal recourse against the officers if they were provably pissing money away on things that don't benefit the company at all.That latter part is a high ba

plesner β€’ Feb 1, 2016 β€’ View on HN

Why would that be illegal? There is nothing illegal about having other priorities than maximizing shareholder value. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary#Fiduciary_duties_und....

deogeo β€’ May 15, 2019 β€’ View on HN

> Fiduciary duty enshrines this into law.A common misconception: https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/16/what-are-co...

Grimm1 β€’ Aug 24, 2021 β€’ View on HN

That's a misunderstanding that I see a lot, they do not have a legal duty to maximize returns to shareholders.Not the source I usually use for this but,https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/16/what-are-co...

brymaster β€’ Nov 7, 2013 β€’ View on HN

> borderline breach of fiduciary duty.That's not a real thing.http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/8146/are-u-s-com...