Process vs People Debate

Discussions critique rigid organizational processes as scar tissue or flawed, emphasizing that problems stem from processes rather than tools, and advocating for people, adaptability, and incremental improvements over hardcoded procedures.

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Zababa Nov 2, 2021 View on HN

I've read on HN that "processes are organizational scar tissue", I think it applies here.

totallywrong Jun 19, 2023 View on HN

You can hardly blame the tool for that, it's your process that's flawed.

stcredzero Mar 12, 2014 View on HN

You obviously have a process. It's just that you haven't formalized it yet and/or that it's too convoluted to be easily expressed in a marketable form for most human beings.

gcanyon May 20, 2021 View on HN

As a friend once said, "You can't software your way out of a process problem."

Sir_Cmpwn Nov 13, 2017 View on HN

There's no magic bullets for this sort of thing. Try something and see if it works. If it doesn't work, try something else. Incrementally improve your processes.

JackSlateur Feb 17, 2024 View on HN

You failed as soon as you think "process"A process is a hardcoded way of do thing, which is deficient because it cannot react to an ever-changing worldA better way to handle things is by defining "what" should be done, not "how" it should be done

asplake Apr 24, 2020 View on HN

...until codified process becomes the problem. It never ends!

legerdemain Feb 11, 2022 View on HN

Just like making a single bad hire invalidates making ten great hires, setting up a single bad process invalidates every other good process you have set up. "Process" has a life of its own. Process is never re-evaluated. Process accumulates. People follow it mindlessly, wasting time and energy. When you know the solution to a problem, do you want to write a mini-proposal? Set up feedback sessions? Timebox, dogfood, canary-deploy? Heck, "process" will make you not want to do a

julik Mar 21, 2025 View on HN

At this point in time this is absolutely a "people and process" problem. But also the process that is there has been excercised and is known to folks you may hire. Trying to come up with less of it (or with a different version of it) dramatically shrinks the number of people who can be productive on your product from day 1, and is not a choice to be made lightly. There is also a number of people who will then be spending time convincing you that the "none" or "less"

allisdust Mar 9, 2022 View on HN

The only thing worse than a strict process is a quickly changing process. Because then people will be forced to keep track of the changes and it becomes even more difficult to become compliant. Ideal process would include the feedback from day 1 and iterate either based on demand or at fixed intervals placed as far as possible.