Right to Refuse Service

The cluster debates whether private businesses and tech companies have the legal right to refuse service to customers, focusing on limits imposed by anti-discrimination laws for protected classes like race and sexual orientation, often citing the gay wedding cake baker case as an analogy.

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jazzyjackson Nov 20, 2024 View on HN

Aren't businesses allowed to refuse service to individuals?

djsumdog Feb 24, 2020 View on HN

Did you read the article I wrote/cited?> A store cannot have blacks only and whites only bathrooms or water fountains. Bars and restaurants in some jurisdictions can allow smoking within their establishments, while in other municipalities, smoking indoors is banned for all businesses. Companies who chose to be equal opportunity employers have several criteria for which they cannot discriminate against. Laws such as the Americans with Disabilities Act mandates certain accessibility req

viro Jan 14, 2020 View on HN

You don't have a right to some one else's property. That company has a right to refuse service to any non protected class it sees fit. Kinda like if Mailchimp was a baker ;). Can't just change the rules since the baker is bigger.

drak0n1c May 7, 2018 View on HN

There are convoluted and litigious anti-discrimination laws in many states. The question of whether a private business can simply show customers the door is not so easy - especially when the reason is based on matters of belief or identity.For California where these tech companies are based it looks like there was a ruling in favor of your argument: <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/baker-can-refuse-make-same-sex-wedding-cakes-judge-rules-n845501" rel="

ViViDboarder Jan 2, 2022 View on HN

It’s not at all the same argument. The key difference is “$PROTECTED_CLASS”. It’s perfectly legal for a shop owner to refuse service to anyone as long as it’s not based on a protected class. That should hold true for Facebook as well. If they censor people based on a protected attribute, such as sex, then they should be compelled to offer equal service. In any of these cases being discussed, they don’t relate to protected classes.

msbarnett Jul 22, 2020 View on HN

Yes, provided they are not deciding on the basis of someone belonging to a protected class. Hence a cake maker can cheerfully refuse your business on the basis of you wanting a cake that says “Jennifer Garner Eats Babies” but not on the basis of you, say, being homosexual, or Black.

cygx Jan 11, 2021 View on HN

The right to refuse service isn't limited to illegal activity.

koolba Aug 8, 2017 View on HN

This seems perfectly fine to me. They're a private company and can decide which customers they want to serve and to which they want to refuse service.Of course if you allow this you'll also need to accept that a baker can refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

TomMarius May 20, 2019 View on HN

I think you don't understand what the anti-discrimination law means. That law lists reasons which you can't use to refuse service - and you're free to use any other reason to refuse service. This anti-discrimination law most probably does not force all businesses to provide services to everyone but only businesses with physical public presence.

Frondo Sep 20, 2017 View on HN

Please don't use that whataboutism here.But, since you asked, businesses that offer services to the public can refuse service to anyone UNLESS they're refusing a member of a protected class, for being a member of a protected class.White restaurant owner kicking out a black lady because she's belligerent/drunk/whatever -- fine.White restaurant owner kicking out a black lady because she's black -- not fine.Religious bakery owner refusing service because it