Stallman Minsky Epstein Controversy

The cluster discusses Richard Stallman's controversial comments defending Marvin Minsky against allegations of sexual misconduct with a Jeffrey Epstein trafficking victim, including debates on the accuracy of accusations, Stallman's resignation from MIT, and Epstein's ties to academia.

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selfishgene Mar 28, 2021 View on HN

The evidence at this time is largely circumstantial:i) Mr. Stallman's job was to raise money for the FSF.ii) Mr. Stallman's friend and possible mentor was accused of sexual misconduct involving an underage girl who was allegedly being trafficked by Mr. Epstein on "Pedophile Isle."iii) Mr. Stallman's statements appear more designed to justify and rationalize Mr. Epstein's sexual abuse of underage girls than to defend the reputation of his friend and po

BugsJustFindMe Apr 12, 2021 View on HN

> and now you're doing it, because there was no Epstein connection.If you prefer the phrases "defense of Minsky in his 70s having sex with a minor on a private island where Minksy then later hosted another conference _after_ Epstein's public conviction for sex trafficking and being designated a level three sex offender" or perhaps "refusal to recognize sex with minors as rape" we can use one of those instead. I don't mind. Because Stallman _did_ sa

wrycoder Mar 23, 2021 View on HN

Yes, Stallman has said that Epstein was a serial rapist.But, where did you ever get the idea that he thought the same of Minsky? There is nothing like that in the CSAIL email chain. RMS was simply objecting to a protest announcement's use of the term "sexual assault" when the source the announcement's authors were using said "only that they had sex" (RMS' words). Actually, the source states, "Giuffre says she was directed to have sex with Minsky when

dvfjsdhgfv Mar 25, 2021 View on HN

This is actually a very interesting story. Two years ago one victim of Epstein said Epstein asked her to have sex with Minsky. She didn't say whether anything happened or if she even had to chance to say anything to Minsky - only that she was asked to do that. Now, on an internal email list at MIT someone was very upset about Minsky. RMS sensibly said we can't conclude from the above statement that anything happened, and if Epstein really wanted anything to happen, he would need to con

danso Sep 17, 2019 View on HN

Someone emailed an event for protesting Minsky, and Stallman accused her of wrongly inflating the term "sexual assault" when using it to refer to Minsky and Epstein. Stallman bends over backwards for Minsky, saying that he shouldn't be automatically to blame if Epstein forced someone to have sex with him.It's little different than the absurd pretzel that Lessig bent himself into when trying to defend his friend Joi Ito [0]:> Q: Doesn’t it make sense to you that peopl

cmiles74 Mar 22, 2021 View on HN

I find it embarrassing that this is the top comment on this post. Not only is this comment mostly incoherent, it's pretty far from the facts at hand. These aren't hard to find, you can search Google or read the paragraph on Stallman's Wikipedia page.[0]Richard Stallman attempt to defend Marvin Minsky's involvement with Jeffrey Epstein was offensive. CNet[1] has a recap of the email thread (I believe Motherboard first reported it[2]) if you are interested in the details. Th

anon7725 Mar 25, 2021 View on HN

I don’t see how you can claim that Stallman "advocate[d] for rape." Please read what he wrote carefully - he says that it’s not clear that Minsky had knowledge of or intent to commit a crime. You can argue that Minsky was associating with Epstein and should have known what was going on, and that Stallman is totally unwise in his responses here, but don’t accuse him of something that he has not done according to the evidence presented in this issue.

selfishgene Apr 12, 2021 View on HN

Both MIT and Harvard have admitted to helping Jeffrey Epstein avoid prosecution on federal racketeering charges for the sex-trafficking of minors after they were exposed by whistle-blowers at both of these institutions. I'm still not sure why people consider it appropriate to exclude someone like Stallman from serving on the Board of the FSF while continuing to allow Mr. Rafael Reif, for example, to remain president of MIT after sending a personally signed "thank-you note" to one

jolux Mar 22, 2021 View on HN

>Accused of what exactly?Accused of having sex with one of Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking victims.>See, the whole point of Stallman's statements was to clarify what exactly Minsky was being accused of, no more no less.It's quite plain what Stallman was responding to. Stallman himself even says he sees no reason to disbelieve it. Unfortunately, "I didn't know she was a 17-year-old sex trafficking victim when I raped her" is not much of a defense, to

lostjohnny Sep 17, 2019 View on HN

This is one of those cases where Reddit > HN"Context: In a recently unsealed deposition a woman testified that, at the age of 17, Epstein told her to have sex with Marvin Minsky. Minsky was a founder of the MIT Media Lab and pioneer in A.I. who died in 2016. Stallman argued on a mailing list (in response to a statement from a protest organizer accusing Minsky of sexual assault) that, while he condemned Epstein, Minsky likely did not know she was being coerced:> We can imag