Welfare Fraud and Benefits

The cluster revolves around debates on fraud in government welfare, unemployment, and social benefits systems, including trade-offs between preventing abuse and ensuring access for legitimate claimants, with frequent mentions of means-testing pitfalls and universal basic income as a solution.

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danbruc Feb 12, 2024 View on HN

You should not be able to do that, the system should discourage it. But I think one likely has to tolerate this to some extent because trying to completely eliminate it will probably negatively affect people that rightfully claim such benefits, for example having to constantly prove that they are eligible.

m0llusk Mar 7, 2023 View on HN

Sounds like a problem related to means tested benefits which could to some extent be avoided by transitioning to a universal basic income which has no such strings for manipulating behavior.

polymatter Dec 6, 2015 View on HN

many vulnerable people don't know what they can qualify for and what they can't. especially if they are not particularly literate as many adults are not - especially if they have a non-native background.many vulnerable people don't claim even if they know they qualify because the whole process is demeaning. sometimes when you have lost everything, you desperately hold onto your dignity, even if that isn't profit-maximising. real people (as opposed to idealised economic age

scarmig May 16, 2018 View on HN

Tricky problem: how do you establish real-world identity to prevent welfare fraud?

pessimizer Aug 7, 2023 View on HN

That sounds like a automation problem. If you have an office dealing with UBI and unemployment in your neighborhood, the government can literally know their customer. The more people unemployed, the easier it will be to staff them.These people are pretending they're fighting fraud, when instead they're trying to reinvent government responsibilities/campaigns as passive income sources for 3rd party rent-seekers. Uber for welfare.

TehCorwiz Jan 20, 2024 View on HN

"After enough public backlash we've fixed the problem for this one person. We hope everyone stops bothering us so we can continue to not fix the problem because denying benefits is profitable to us."

ericbarrett Nov 30, 2020 View on HN

Completely agree. The real scandal has been egregious unemployment claims fraud. Hundreds of millions from California alone, and multiple states have been targeted[0].[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/24/us/california-unemploymen...

collingreen Mar 1, 2025 View on HN

It's possible the process is tuned to make sure most people who need it can get it even if that means some people can abuse the system and their fellow people.

a_bonobo Apr 14, 2022 View on HN

Sounds a bit like Australia's illegal Robodebt scheme:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robodebt_schemeThe Australian system was simpler than the Dutch system, comparing social benefits paid with averaged tax-income from the ATO. It was a stupidly wrong calculation, the averaged income is much higher in people with inconsistent income than it actually is, so people were hound

tialaramex Mar 17, 2020 View on HN

"Opt-in" systems have disappointing levels of people who need the benefit but are too proud or scared to claim.Where possible avoid this problem and give the benefit to absolutely everybody. The administration is simpler, it will get to all those who need it, and if you become concerned Bill Gates is getting too much free childcare or whatever, feel free to increase his taxes accordingly.