Device Ownership Debate

Commenters debate whether users truly own their purchased devices if corporations like Apple control software installation and execution, advocating for full user freedom to run any software. References to free software philosophy and warnings against corporate gatekeeping dominate the discussion.

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Sample Comments

thereddaikon Nov 24, 2021 View on HN

This is the opposite of freedom. People own their computers, its up to them how they are used, not some gatekeeping devs.

michaelmrose Jun 10, 2021 View on HN

It's not ok period if the owner of the device can't choose to install software themselves.

vbezhenar Sep 4, 2021 View on HN

Device belongs to you, but software belongs to the Apple. If you want your device to fully belong to you, you need to find a device supporting software which you can control. Otherwise you're at corporation mercy when it comes to privacy and other sensitive topics.

m4rtink Jan 3, 2024 View on HN

That's kinda the point - owners of devices should be in control of software their devices are running. Or they are not owners.

1over137 Jul 13, 2018 View on HN

The "future of computing" is a device where you can't install your own software without the permission of a large undemocratic foreign company? Sounds horrible.

swarnie Jun 11, 2024 View on HN

Shouldn't people be able to run whatever software they like on a device they've purchased?Anything less isn't full ownership.

alexvoda Nov 4, 2020 View on HN

Because they are making that decision for users. The devices are owned by users since the day of purchase.Why can’t users make that decision for themselves? Granted, many people choose to buy Apple devices because they do not desire general computing devices and instead desire appliances.But giving up that control erodes ownership itself. A device not fully controlled by you is not fully owned by you. You may own a license to use it for a limited time. But people do not buy hardware device

DerekL Jan 11, 2018 View on HN

It attacks the users' freedom? Good! The owner of the computer should be in ultimate control, not the user. Buy your own computer if you don't like it.

HPsquared Jun 5, 2025 View on HN

Even "your" computer is not your own. It's effectively controlled by Intel, Microsoft, Apple etc. They just choose not to use that power (as far as we know). Ownership and control are not the same thing.

franciscrick1 Oct 25, 2018 View on HN

What if users don't want you taking control of their computer?