Systemd Controversy

This cluster discusses criticisms of systemd as a Linux init system, including its perceived monoculture, developer attitudes, Red Hat influence, and widespread adoption despite backlash, alongside defenses of its utility and problem-solving.

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Sample Comments

lamby May 26, 2017 View on HN

One possible reason: They are making a philosophical stand/statement against systemd.

beedogs Jul 1, 2015 View on HN

Is it too late to extricate systemd from distributions? I am really sick and tired of this project ruining Linux.

milesrout Apr 6, 2017 View on HN

systemd isn't a standard, it's a monoculture. There's a difference.

addicted Sep 23, 2019 View on HN

Is the complaint that systemd is so useful that nearly every distro includes it?

fartcannon Jul 2, 2020 View on HN

Probably because it shows the character of the systemd devs.

duked Apr 5, 2014 View on HN

this links provide a better context on the attitude of the systemd developer: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935

GFK_of_xmaspast Oct 31, 2015 View on HN

It's fashionable in some parts of the linux world to hate on systemd.

bityard Jul 19, 2023 View on HN

There are a few reasons why systemd left a bad taste in the mouths of many Linux enthusiasts:Systemd replaces (or tries to replace) whole swaths of OS functionality all at once, instead of addressing each piece individually. As a result, all of the systemd pieces are tightly integrated and nigh-inseparable, and critics claim this was intentional so that distributions could not easily pick and choose the parts they wanted. My understanding is that this is better now. In my experience, some pie

petre Apr 1, 2017 View on HN

FLAVOR: allHEADLINE: Dump SystemDDESCRIPTION: I know this sounds like a nutcacke request, but Ubuntu has missed the opportunity of creating viable systemd competition. This is easier than writing an alternate display server. We are stuck with systemd monoculture which increases complexity and causes breakage for no good reason. There are other well tought init systems like openrc or runit.ROLE/AFFILIATION: Software developer, sysadmin

anotherhue Mar 31, 2021 View on HN

Systemd continues to remind me of windows. It keeps fixing what wasn't broken, and you don't get to say 'no thank you' without a complete OS switch.Yes you can argue it's the distros decision, but that ship has sailed and fairly soon there won't even be an effective choice.