Necessity of Work Debate

33.Not to be glib, but I think you're too locked into an ideology.Idealistically we shouldn't be working in jobs that do not add value to society, that could well include my job.You work 8 hours to live 4.You work 5 days to enjoy 2.You work 8 hrs to eat lunch in 30 mins.You work all year to take a week or two holiday.You work all your life to retire in old age.You might claim that people need to work to live, but honestly, if you're not adding value to soci

A short article that ends with "That’s life." doesn't really inspires me anything.Unemployment is high in many developed countries, and society is unable to occupy people with meaningful activities, to give sense to their existence, or even to give enough money to unproductive people so that they can be happy enough.I have been depressed and unemployed for a long time, and the fact that you literally have to beg for a job just so you can get out of bed and see other people s

People knit sweaters, garden, run, etc. The lack of value doesn't make it unenjoyable. The difference is people could choose what to do with their time. Imagine life if there was never a need to work!

While I agree in principle, I don't think many humans are capable of what you want. Without a desperate need to work, most people don't seem to bother doing much even it that would give them great satisfaction. Just look at almost every unemployed person who has a place to live and food to eat but nothing to do all day. Why aren't they spending their plentiful time on high quality of life activities?This might be hard to imagine if you're well educated, already working, an

Hmm. This seems like a pretty textbook case of Stockholm syndrome, if applied to society and expectations.Do they have to work? Nope. If they live leaner, they needen't work another day in the rest of their lives. If they have hobbies, they can master those instead. They could be the best at them.But instead, "society" says they have to work to have a worth. That's puritanical garbage that we need to nip at the bud. We're coming of an age, where machines can increa

I thought it was just a variation of "everyone will stop working!". If a few people stop it's not a problem. We need enough productivity to keep things going but working a useless job is a problem. Working for no reason and no purpose. Work for the sake of working. Work consumes resources, we shouldn't spend finite resources on things we don't need. You can just sit there and think of something to contribute to society. That is, if we are worthy of such flattery in your

David Graeber in Bullshit Jobs, says people have been conditioned to insist that you can't be productive without suffering in the process, and he goes on to makes a case for Universal Income (because modern society is productive enough to feed and house everyone). I think it misses the point. People want a job where they grow as human beings, and you can't grow without suffering/trial. Pointless jobs are depressing. If you figure out how to get paid without doing anymore work, tha

Just because you don’t have to work doesn’t mean you wouldn’t want to anyway - perhaps money is not the only motivation for working when your basic needs are met.

something that would just allow people to live (albeit modestly) without any kind of extra work during their productive years.You see it as "allowing" them to do that. I see it as "enabling" them to do that.As a race, we've spent tens of thousands of years having to toil practically every day, doing arduous work just to eat, and now we're at a point where perhaps we don't actually need to do that any more. We could have members of society choosi

GGGGP: The point of life is not to need jobs in order to survive, the point of life is enjoymentGGGP: Well, for most people, if they don't have to have a job, their life becomes a sucking void of boredom. These are the only two optionsGGP: Nope, plenty of jobs can be a sucking void of boredom for people. It's not like having to clean toilets in order not to starve is incredibly meaningful for the people that have to do itGP: Well, I like helping neighbors for free sometimes. B