Plastic Bag Bans
The cluster debates the environmental effectiveness of banning single-use plastic grocery bags, highlighting reuse as trash liners, shifts to paper or thicker 'reusable' bags, and overall plastic consumption impacts.
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why not reuse the bags? way more efficient.
What’s wrong with paper bags for your use case?
> The alternatives require more reuse than actually occurs.Where I live, we banned plastic bags in 2017. Every store at first sold cloth bags, for buyers who didn't bring their own. Some weeks later, everyone had several reusable bags, that they would bring when buying stuff, not a hard thing to do.Those bags last even years, so I don't understand why you think people wouldn't reuse them. They actually are quite better (they don't make my fingers hurt, won't bre
You ban plastic bags and now people buy reusable grocery bags(ok good?), but everything that goes in the reusable grocery bag is wrapped with plastic.You now dont have regularly plastic bags, so you end up buying garbage bags and ziplocs to replace their original re-use.You havent eliminated anything at all. You havent banned anything. You have in fact expanded the amount of plastic bags in circulation by doing a plastic bag ban.
We shop at a grocery store in a pretty poor area. At least half the people do bring their own reusable bags. The price is pretty cheap for them and they last a long time. The energy difference between one plastic bag and one paper bag is minimal. Yes, in volume it ads up but the choice is between one of this or one of that. To me the issue with the old plastic bags was that they were too light and escaped into the environment where they clogged waterways, choked animals and broke down into plast
Newsflash: plastic bags are only wasteful if you don’t reuse them as small garbage bags. If you use paper bags and buy small garbage bags, you are worse than the person using the plastic bags.
> California banned “single use” plastic bags (which we used to reuse as trash bags for the bathroom or whatever) but lets you buy “reusable” ones for a few cents at the checkout counter. The reusable ones are much heavier and contain 10-100x more plastic, and take even longer to biodegrade.We have the same problem in the UK. Single use bags not available but you can buy heavier ones, so while people throw fewer bags, they are heavier ones.Paper bags have also become a lot more common.
The plastic bags in places like NYC are usually 25-50 cents. It’s stupid to force those on people when paper bags exist and barely have an effect on the environment. Also, half the grocery stores in the US only stock things like spinach in plastic containers or bags. There’s much lower hanging fruit than banning single-use paper bags.
A re-usable bag is always better IMO, as it does not generate trash, while single use plastic bags are often disgarded right away
single use shopping bags really are shocking