Israel-Palestine Land Dispute
The cluster debates historical claims to the land between Israelis and Palestinians, focusing on issues like occupation, ethnic cleansing (Nakba), indigenous rights, and the legitimacy of Israel's founding.
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One correction, the entire palestinian territory was attached by israel, forcefully. It's as if ukraine attacking its own territory, which it does now, because the russians are ruling those parts. Not to mention the massacres committed against the people in 1948, as part of foundation. And the continued discrimination. EU and US are sanctioning people who settle in westbank now. Is Russia going to Kiev and attaching homes from the Ukrainians, and giving to people from Moscow?
Whether Palestine was ever a nation or a kingdom is completely irrelevant to the issue, it seems we agree on this. So the argument made by bsaul that"No palestinian kingdom or nation has ever existed, and this land was under the ruling of turks since the 13th century, and it has belonged to many different people througout history. Saying that only the arabs are legitimate there is a strange view of history."has no relevance whatsoever. The only thing that matters is who was occup
Much of that comment is political in nature. Calling it palestine & colonization is disputable.Technically the Israelites inhabited the land before the Palestinians. Such land was part of Judea & Samaria, which the romans conquered, kicked out the Israelites. In modern times the Israelites won back much of the land in a war of aggression against them.It's akin to saying that the Native Americans who lived in their reservations were attacked by the surrounding cities. The nativ
You’re saying Palestinians stole the land and deserved losing it
It's not about ethnicity or religion per se. The land israel occupies was taken by force from palestinians. Gaza specifically is to a large extent simply a refugee camp for those displaced to create the state of israel, and their descendants.Both groups have, from their own perspective, a valid and exclusive claim to the land there. If not prevented from doing so, palestinians would certainly reclaim the homes and farms of their grandparents. Israel has the political, economic, and milit
Maybe what they mean is that Israel has been bullying Palestine for many years.This intel from the UN seems to say so.https://www.unocha.org/publications/report/occupied-palestin...
Israel is occupying a piece of land it violently seized by force and ethnic cleansing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba . The people of Palestine have a right to self defense just like anyone else; exercising that right doesn't make them terrorists.
Israel is not colonising "Palestinian land", they occupy a land which was part of the Ottoman empire and was promised to them in the San Remo convention by the League of Nations, Jordan was part of it too. If anything it is the opposite, Britain did as much as they could not to adhere to this legally binding decision.In addition the Arabs in this area never agreed to recognise the non disputed part Of Israel and launched wars against it continuously, still do. Comparing it to HK or
They weren't asked to settle in Palestine by its local inhabitants, but they were chased by mobs with clubs and metal pipes from the places they did live. I'm not sure what litigating this gets you, rhetorically.It's worth noting that (excepting maybe Egypt?) all the surrounding Arab states were also the creation of European imperial colonialism, a fact that only seems to matter when the people implicated happen to be Jewish. But for a couple quirks of history, Palestinians wou
Dude, you're making straw-man arguments. You're saying "All nations have done the same and have shaped their own border through wars".Like that makes it okay? And man, you don't even realize that you don't know what you're talking about. You keep making orthogonal points. Here's what I'm saying, land keeps getting taken. By Israelis. That's an international crime. Quite literally. The UN was established at the time. And guess what. The Israeli