Spying Among Allies

Discussions center on the Five Eyes intelligence alliance and how nations, including allies like the US, UK, Germany, and France, routinely spy on each other despite intelligence-sharing agreements.

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vixsomnis Jun 17, 2015 View on HN

It's not just the UK: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

joloooo Jan 30, 2024 View on HN

Hasn't this been accepted with things like the Five Eyes alliance? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

nradov Sep 12, 2019 View on HN

The UK is part of the "Five Eyes" intelligence alliance and as such has no real need to spy on the US president. I would assume that Germany is spying on the US but just hasn't been caught (at least not publicly).

zobzu Sep 16, 2013 View on HN

all major nations do exactly the same as the nsa. yes france. yes germany. becauqe theyve not been exposes as publicly does not mean nobody is watching.source: used to work in eu intelligence agencies

ceejayoz Sep 5, 2016 View on HN

I suspect the US catches its European allies doing this all the time. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/intel-insiders-europeans-spying-...

secfirstmd Jun 9, 2020 View on HN

Don't forget Echelon revelations about the US spying on European companies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON. Of course European companies, esp France have done the same.

qeternity May 29, 2024 View on HN

Spoiler: all countries are surveilling each other.

fierarul Jan 4, 2020 View on HN

My guess it's related to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

southeastern Dec 13, 2020 View on HN

All nations do. It's become very normal. On the surface relations are nice and respectful. But we even spy on our allies behind closed doors. Take the case of Germany, that became public knowledge because of wikileaks. We had Angela Merkel's office wiretapped, among other things[1]. After it became known, they hardly responded past some internal investigations. I think their Senate switched to storing documents offline too. But at this point it isn't something inexcusable. And you

kabacha Feb 25, 2019 View on HN

LMAO - Probably the worst two countries to trust your ISP.Both are five eyes countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes#Domestic_espionage_s...