Tesla Profit Margins

Comments debate Tesla's high gross profit margins on electric vehicles compared to competitors like Ford and Toyota who lose money on EVs, attributing Tesla's overall losses to R&D, factories, and infrastructure investments.

📉 Falling 0.3x Startups & Business
1,702
Comments
20
Years Active
5
Top Authors
#6275
Topic ID

Activity Over Time

2007
1
2008
5
2009
7
2010
5
2011
2
2012
7
2013
48
2014
24
2015
60
2016
122
2017
105
2018
155
2019
162
2020
136
2021
211
2022
171
2023
241
2024
131
2025
100
2026
9

Keywords

SUV DO F150 FSD Q2 www.npr PC MM ICE IMO tesla profit margins margin cars car vehicle toyota model evs

Sample Comments

MattRix Jun 20, 2023 View on HN

Just look up the margins on Tesla’s cars vs EVs from other manufacturers. For example, Tesla’s net profit margin in Q1 2023 was 13%, meanwhile Ford is hoping that their electric vehicle division can get to 8% net profit by 2026 (they currently lose money on them)

sxates May 24, 2017 View on HN

Tesla has 20-30% gross margins on the Model S and X. They're profitable cars (though the company is not, due to heavy capital investments).Other EVs do seem to be sold at a loss though, because their main purpose isn't to be profitable on their own, but to enable more sales of larger ICE vehicles (by meeting fleet economy standards) that are much more profitable.

Misdicorl Mar 14, 2019 View on HN

Tesla only shows one of two things1) Their profit margins are significantly lower than what traditional manufacturers are willing to sustain for the luxury car market2) The traditional manufacturers were bad at calculating the profit margin of a luxury EV

bryanlarsen Sep 24, 2019 View on HN

Tesla's Gross Margin is 15%, the same as Ford's. They make a sizable profit on every car. R&D etc is what turns that profit into a loss.

csulok Sep 5, 2016 View on HN

Tesla is operating at a loss, but Model S and Model X are sold at a high margin comparable to other cars in their category. Source: share holder letters.

froindt Jul 16, 2018 View on HN

I haven't researched specifics on Tesla, but typically bigger => larger margins in the automotive world. Manufacturers weren't thrilled when the Obama administration pushed for higher fuel economy after the bailouts. The margins on the small cars were much lower than on trucks and SUV's.For example, Ford's F-150 line is worth an incredible amount of money."Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas has estimated that the F-Series, which includes F-150 and Super Duty tr

ckw May 13, 2022 View on HN

The revolution is in manufacturing and vertical integration: you have to look at margins. Tesla’s operating margin was 19.2% in Q1, and is apt to rise. Very few other companies even make a profit on their EVs, and none that do are anywhere close to Tesla’s margins, to my knowledge. This means that nominally competitive electric cars aren’t. In principle Tesla could squash its pure EV competitors by selling below their cost of production, and any legacy auto company transitioning to EVs will be i

kjksf Oct 17, 2023 View on HN

Those points are neither here nor there.Tesla has pretty much the best margin in car industry, even when comparing their pure EV production to traditional ICE cars.Pretty much all other companies, including Ford, loose money on EVs. Some loose more than others.The difference between Ford pay and Tesla pay is not even close to explain the profitability gap.It's more about Tesla making way more cars and therefore paying less for components and batteries and raw materials.It

pkulak Sep 5, 2016 View on HN

The margins on Tesla's cars are actually very high, but Tesla is pouring an unimaginable amount of money into R&D and infrastructure right now. Gigafactories, superchargers, service centers, etc. Those are all things that VW doesn't have to worry about because they are already established.Saying that Tesla sells cars at a loss is just another case of sour grapes by people trying to discredit what Tesla has done. Tesla could give up on the Model 3 right now, stop building superch

gamblor956 Jun 1, 2018 View on HN

The Ford F150 makes a gross profit margin of $10,000 to $13,000/vehicle. It sells 800,000 F150s each year, for a profit of $8 billion or more on just the F150s. By the way, F150s sell for about the same as the Model 3.Porsche has gross margins of $18,000 to $23,000 on its vehicles, which are comparably priced to Tesla's other models.Really, if you drill down into the actual numbers, you'll see that Tesla isn't significantly more profitable than other car makers