McDonald's Hot Coffee Lawsuit

Comments discuss and correct misconceptions about the McDonald's hot coffee case, highlighting the excessively high serving temperature (180-190°F), prior burn complaints ignored by the company, flimsy cups, and why it wasn't a frivolous lawsuit.

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yjftsjthsd-h Jul 26, 2024 View on HN

> Reminds me of the lady who got burned by McDonalds coffee like, bro, you spill hot coffee on you then you might get a burnt. She won that one. McDonalds keeps it hot for sterilization/safety.That's a pretty misleading description; they lost that case because they knowingly kept their coffee far above a safe temperature to serve, there had been a string of previous cases proving that it was obviously unsafe, and their negligence landed a woman in the ER (followed by being in the

542458 Feb 20, 2022 View on HN

I suggest you go and read the details of that case. The store was knowingly serving coffee at temperatures too hot for human consumption, and had received prior complaints of injuries. The cups they served coffee in at the time were also known to be extremely flimsy and easy to accidentally collapse. The woman in question had third degree burns and required skin grafts.https:/

roenxi Jun 11, 2020 View on HN

From your link:> McDonald’s operations manual required the franchisee to hold its coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit.> Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns in three to seven seconds.They might also be interested to know it was composed primarily of dihydrogen monoxide, a lethal chemical agent known to be the proximate cause of hundreds of deaths each year. They are describing boiling water.Even if McDonald's did the wrong thing, it is a fr

Riseed Oct 28, 2023 View on HN

Yes, you should know that coffee is actually hot and may burn you. Likewise, McDonalds should know how hot is too hot and not serve its coffee at dangerous temperatures.In case you're unaware of the context, in short:McDonald's launched a smear campaign against the lady who spilled hot coffee on her lap. The elderly lady was in the passenger seat of a parked car at the time, and the coffee was so hot that it fused her labia and she needed multiple skin grafts to recover. S

Latty Oct 28, 2023 View on HN

The case is well documented and was not just "the coffee was hot", the coffee was served 20 degrees hotter than other establishments, with no special warnings, in a cup that was not rigid enough, and the company had hundreds of previous cases of people being burned by it they ignored.

torgoguys Dec 19, 2016 View on HN

Sure. All of my questions have been about the product and why serving it should have caused legal liability. So ignoring the parts of the article that simply points out that most people don't correctly know details what happened (whether she was driving, dollar amounts she actually got, etc.) and focusing on what the article has to say about the product and why it might carry liability for MCD we get very little from this article, namely:- MCD served coffee at up to 190 degrees- they

marcosdumay Sep 4, 2019 View on HN

Normally coffee is not brewed on boiling water, and losses a lot of heat during the brewing process. So, McDonalds' coffee (and the ones on many more stores) is significantly hotter than normal coffee.But recently brewed coffee is dangerous anyway, it's quite stupid to hold it with one's legs. Still, I don't know about the details, and even the defamation she suffered might be enough for the punishment.

Phemist Aug 10, 2023 View on HN

The case was really about what is a reasonable temperature to serve coffee at.It was found that McDonald's, as a franchise, mandated coffee to be served at this temperature, generally 20 degrees higher than the temperature of take-away coffee served at other establishments.This 20 degrees difference accounting for the difference between third degree burns within seconds and a significant chance at preventing the third degree burns.Liebeck's behaviour was of course risky, but e

logdap May 18, 2023 View on HN

You stopped reading too soon:> Since Liebeck, McDonald's has not reduced the service temperature of its coffee. McDonald's current policy is to serve coffee at 176–194 °F (80–90 °C) [...] Similarly, as of 2004, Starbucks sells coffee at 175–185 °F (79–85 °C), and the executive director of the Specialty Coffee Association of America reported that the standard serving temperature is 160–185 °F (71–85 °C).[citation needed]Any of this coffee can give you life changing injur

rfurmani Aug 10, 2012 View on HN

Just a nitpick, the hot coffee case wasn't as frivolous as it sounds. McDonalds had been serving its coffee unreasonably hot (190F instead of 140F, which causes third degree burns almost instantly) even though they had previously been warned of the dangers. At one point you have to put a cost to it, so it doesn't just come down to them saving money on refills.