Tyranny of Structurelessness

The cluster discusses how flat or non-hierarchical organizations inevitably develop hidden power structures and informal hierarchies, referencing 'The Tyranny of Structurelessness' and the Iron Law of Oligarchy, with critiques of boss-less companies like Valve.

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dTal Jun 5, 2017 View on HN

Extremely relevant:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tyranny_of_Structurelessne...tl;dr - hierarchies will form whether you want them to or not. If you refuse to endorse an official structure, you'll simply get an unofficial (and more often than not, unaccountable) one instead.

retrac98 Feb 17, 2017 View on HN

I don't believe this works well, especially in larger organisations. Groups of people naturally form a hierarchy, whether it's officially recognised or not. It's human nature.

pron Mar 16, 2014 View on HN

The problem isn't hierarchy or authoritarianism (though the latter is a symptom of it), but the distribution of power in any organization (or society), regardless of its goals. The point is simple: shying away from a clear power structure results only in an unfair and unmanageable distribution of power. Companies like GitHub, that believe in "self-organizations" would often fall into this trap once they grow large enough. Julie Ann Horvath's story at GitHub demonstrates how e

dwallin Aug 23, 2024 View on HN

Humans have a natural tendency towards social hierarchies. If you don't provide structure people will instinctively create it; so attempting to entirely remove structure from an organization is idealistic and inevitably fails. This usually leads to hidden power structures and counter-productive popularity dynamics. A great classic read about this topic is essay "The Tyranny of Structurelessness" by Jo Freeman: <a href="https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.h

js8 May 5, 2017 View on HN

Thanks for the book recommendation.It's not really that much about money, as it is about that you cannot built a non-hierarchy at the bottom of hierarchy. The non-hierarchy must come from the top. Maybe there are some outliers for which it works out, because the top level management buys into it, but I don't see it happening in most normal organizations.

EdwardDiego Jul 2, 2019 View on HN

Our flat non-hierarchical organisation works, what are we doing wrong?!

sage76 May 2, 2024 View on HN

Yeah agreed. In fact, orgs that try to pretend like they have no hierarchy frequently have worse culture and higher employee turnover. See: Valve.

tonyedgecombe Jan 31, 2022 View on HN

Yes, Manu's comic is spot on on this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Cornet#/media/File:%22Org...

5cott0 Oct 12, 2022 View on HN

the tyranny of structurelessness is arguably worse because there will always be hierarchies and in a so-called flat org they just become invisible and unaccountable

abandonliberty Nov 28, 2016 View on HN

Congratulations! You have re-discovered the Iron Law of Oligarchy (1911). Organizations become oligarchies.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchyTo kick your understanding of organizational problems up a level, I recommended watching CGP Grey's 'Rules for Rulers' <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs" rel="nofollo