Damore Memo Gender Differences
This cluster centers on debates from James Damore's Google memo about biological differences in men's and women's preferences, abilities, and interests explaining gender gaps in tech and leadership roles.
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No, it wasn't wrong. I studied psychology myself years before the Google blowup and similar studies were in the course. The idea that there are biological differences that cause differences in interest is entirely uncontroversial and frankly also common sense. Alternative explanations for why girls don't study computer science are all absurd.But it's clear that we've reached a point where agreeing on basic scientific facts or even common sense is apparently impossible. You
I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership. Many of these differences are small and there’s significant overlap between men and women, so you can’t say anything about an individual given these population level distributions.The "and abilities" part is the important bit because it's
I read through the first article.>Damore’s assertion that men and women think different is actually pretty uncontroversial, and he cites a paper to back it up, from a team led by David Schmitt, a psychologist at Bradley University in Illinois and director of the International Sexuality Description Project. The 2008 article, “Why Can’t a Man Be More Like a Woman? Sex Difference in Big Five Personality Traits Across 55 Cultures,” does indeed seem to show that women rate higher than men in ne
We can agree that there are differences between the average male human and the average female human, sure.But that's generally not what's being argued. What's usually being argued is something more like "it is incontrovertibly and undeniably proven beyond all doubt that evolution has deeply and unalterably hard-wired female humans not to be as good as male humans at programming computers, and therefore it is an inescapable conclusion that we should stop caring whether men
There's a wealth of information available regarding differences in men and women. The answer is all around you and affects every interaction you have with the opposite sex.1.Brain scans showing differences in structure and/or function, used to identify transgenderism2. Physical sexual dimorphism, which through a lifetime of social interaction can lead to different average behaviors (like growing up being stronger/weaker than 50% of the population)3. Different concentratio
It's perfectly all right to say that there are statistical differences between the average biological man and the average biological woman.The problem is to then assume a gigantic pile of facts not in evidence (that the differences observed are 100% biological with no cultural influence whatsoever, that they conclusively explain gender disparities in many fields, etc. etc.) and accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being one of those terrible mean lefties who will unperson you for spea
I don't think you read your own link well enough:> "Sex researchers recognize that these differences are not inherently supportive of sexism or stratifying opportunities based on sex. It is only because a group of individuals have chosen to interpret them that way, and to subsequently deny the science around them, that we have to have this conversation at a public level." -- Dr. Debra W SohThe problem is the author is repeating a pattern common in these discussions, where
you don't think the difference could be that in the hypothetical case it would be common knowledge that women and men are equally capable of this, but in the paper they are reporting on observations that, so far, only show the behaviour for males?in other words, feminists aren't robots that detect syntactic patterns and automatically complain about them. rather, there's actual reasoning and experience behind the objections.
The quote you take issue with is kinda, sorta justified by the wikipedia article he cites:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology#...A meta-analysis of scientific studies concluded that men prefer working with things and women prefer working with people. When interests were classified by RIASEC type Holland Codes (Realist
The quotes you’ve copy-pasted are about statistically significant gender difference in interests and preferences.The conclusion you’ve made in this and previous comments is about abilities.Huge difference between the two.