Deception Manipulation Debate

Commenters intensely debate whether a specific practice, statement, or tactic constitutes deception, manipulation, or intentional misleading of users or businesses.

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kristianc β€’ Jan 22, 2023 β€’ View on HN

That sounds like straight up deception, to be fair.

jules-jules β€’ Dec 14, 2025 β€’ View on HN

It’s not absurd, it’s deception.

icebraining β€’ Aug 21, 2017 β€’ View on HN

It's your prerogative to have a different perspective on the facts presented. But "manipulation" implies intent to deceive, which shouldn't be thrown unless you have good reasons to do so.

maxerickson β€’ Oct 14, 2019 β€’ View on HN

Why do you think it is disingenuous?

danielmarkbruce β€’ Nov 10, 2022 β€’ View on HN

Weird take. Most will agree "deliberately misleading" is what you are talking about.

mymllnthaccount β€’ Mar 30, 2022 β€’ View on HN

How is it deceptive when it clearly states that is what it is doing?

LorenPechtel β€’ Jul 18, 2023 β€’ View on HN

Doesn't preclude being very deceptive with the facts.

thfuran β€’ Mar 11, 2024 β€’ View on HN

That's manipulative but not really deceptive.

vagabund β€’ Jan 27, 2022 β€’ View on HN

I think manipulating people into believing something that's not true is a bad thing, even if it improves the bottom line. To think otherwise, I submit, is the truly cynical view.

richcollins β€’ Nov 23, 2011 β€’ View on HN

It doesn't matter what it says, it matters what users perceive it to be. It's obviously meant to deceive the users while providing the author (not very) plausible deniability of the deception.