Natural Rights Debate

The cluster discusses whether rights are inherent, inalienable natural rights endowed by a creator (as per US founding documents) or granted by governments/society, distinguishing between negative rights (freedoms from interference) and positive rights (entitlements).

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e.g US GP TLDR NO MAKE USA archives.gov LAW wikipedia.org rights liberty government constitution natural happiness freedom pursuit law declaration

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jjgreen Oct 3, 2023 View on HN

I thought rights were inalienable rather than granted by the state

emmelaich Oct 23, 2024 View on HN

Positive rights such as that are no rights at all.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights

briandon Nov 19, 2022 View on HN

Your view on individual rights is far from universal. Never forget that."We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcrip...Or,

zo1 Mar 22, 2016 View on HN

You must be confusing "natural rights" with the perverse definition we currently have of "rights", which are "positive" rather than "negative". Something as simple as freedom from forced labour is still not fully adhered to even in the US.Have a look at the Wikipedia page for some more info:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

notch656a Aug 7, 2022 View on HN

Rights don't come from the government. The government can only infringe upon rights.

AcerbicZero Oct 8, 2019 View on HN

You're conflating the existence of a right, with the freedom to exercise that right. Just because a government/society/group/etc infringes upon your ability to exercise your natural right does not mean it doesn't exist. The concept that the rights of the individual are derived from the individual is the basis for a lot of classical liberalism/enlightenment thinking, which in turn is the basis for most of today's modern governments.

bryan_w Jun 2, 2020 View on HN

Rights don't come from laws, we are endowed with them by our creator.

tstrimple Feb 27, 2023 View on HN

This is ascribing some sort of mythical quality to rights. Rights are simply what a society decides should be conveyed to its people. A country could decide that their people have a right to receiving a free hoodie every November and as long as the country supports that right, those people have that right. There is nothing inherently moral about rights. Countries have many times supported the immoral rights of their people. And people's rights are only as good as the society's support

mijamo May 18, 2018 View on HN

I think you should read about natural rights. The traditional natural righta are life, liberty, and property, which is the opposite of what you describe. And natural rights only exist in an organized society, they are just the limits of what a human should give in its social contract with the society.

jstanley Dec 3, 2017 View on HN

Rights aren't granted to you by any government, they're universal, even if you happen to be living under a regime which violates them.