Apple Walled Garden Debate

Debate over Apple's closed iOS ecosystem and App Store restrictions, pitting user rights to full device control and software choice against the benefits of Apple's secure, curated environment and alternatives like Android.

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elzbardico Jan 17, 2022 View on HN

Just refuse to buy an IPhone and buy only android phones. It is not like you don't have an option. But for me and a lot of people, apple's walled garden is a feature, not a bug. I don't see why apple should be forced to change it just because YOU don't like it, when it is not like you're forced to have an iOS device.

matheusmoreira Oct 27, 2023 View on HN

I don't want to buy other devices. I want to buy Apple devices. I think they're just better phones in every way. I should have every right to buy an Apple device and run whatever software I want on it. I shouldn't be forced to use their software and I certainly shouldn't have less choices just because they want to "own" their "platform". These "all or nothing, take it or leave it" propositions are hostile to consumers and should be resisted at al

d3nj4l Nov 10, 2021 View on HN

You're making it seem like it's a travesty that Apple doesn't allow you to do whatever you want with your phone, but you're dodging everyone who correctly points out that Apple is far and away in the minority of smartphones in the world. People who want to run whatever they want on a mobile device have their choice: they can buy Android phones and sideload APKs, or buy experimental cutting edge devices running Linux. If anything, the example you cite - that of Apple removing

webmobdev Dec 24, 2020 View on HN

It's about choice and loss of control / ownership of our device. Apple app store can exist. But they absolutely shouldn't FORCE us developers and users to use it.

52-6F-62 Aug 17, 2020 View on HN

And Apple can't suppress the existence of Google or any other platform company.Personally, I bought an Apple device specifically because it was so locked down.I don't understand the desire to dictate how a piece of software should operate in this case. Why should Apple be forced to make their software operate like Google's?There are alternatives so nobody is forced to use Apple's platform if they don't want to. They can buy another. How is this not a case of buy

halayli Jul 6, 2024 View on HN

Consumers buy these devices. Apple doesn't give them away for free. A consumer should be able to run whatever they want on the devices they have purchased. We are a long way from achieving this basic goal.

seabee Sep 1, 2012 View on HN

Some people believe they should be allowed to do as they please with their device. Apple disagrees.

joaorj Feb 6, 2014 View on HN

In my opinion anyone that uses apple's products must know that at any moment, apple can decide unilaterally that the user should not use some app / functionality.If you don't like that you probably aren't using apple products already.

raz32dust Jul 12, 2021 View on HN

When a company like Apple says that only their app store can run on iPhones, HN crowd usually sides with Apple, with the justification that "It is a free market. People can buy another phone if they don't like it." Why doesn't the same principle apply here? If your car company does not offer the right to repair, then buy another car. What is the difference? Both are instances of big companies gating access to their devices.

justtopost Sep 21, 2018 View on HN

If apple cannot make the products they aquire conform to their own ecosystem, how can they expect users to?