Labor Unions Debate

Not sure why he's getting downvoted. Unions are only interested in company's existence but even then very often they are willing to see it go to the brink not budging on concessions etc. Not to mention the whole objection to the "right to work" approach.

If this is your take, you're not being honest about the downsides of unions.Here is a list of reasons for not wanting a union[1]:- I want my underperforming colleagues to be fired quickly. It's unfair and annoying that laggards are protected and free riding off their colleagues' (my) effort, and it leads to ineffective orgs.- I don't want seniority or rank to be rewarded. It's unfair to young people (me) who are more competent and ambitious, and it leads to inef

The way the union regulations work out here, you may only work at a certain company if you belong to a certain union (a single organization). You can’t for example, choose between multiple competing unions or work without representation. I’ve heard this is different in other locations like Germany.As a result, having a job at that company means you automatically adopt paying their fees, their organizational structure, the pay scale they’ve negotiated (often can turn into tenure-based, which i

if unions were not actively trying to sabotage their own companies most of the time, maybe the sentiment would be different. There are several cases when unions actively push to destroy companies just to get short term benefits.

You don’t know many working class Americans or you could ask them. I do and have and they report exploitation and misaligned incentives. Unions are like corporations, they can have poor leadership with goals that are incongruous with the goals of the members. Union dues can feel like you pay a lot of your hard earned cash to just have your money siphoned off to a politicians that literally hate you. But usually they have agreed that in general it’s good that unions exist. Better to have them aro

I don't know USA very well, so that is just a feeling.- a lot of what the union do/did have to be understand in the context of important fight between the unionized worker and the companies that want to undercut union influence (and often undercut workers right)- a lot of thing union do / used to do, make sense in the past, but are less relevant now.- Human is quite good to do stupid things, to create some bureaucracy / rules... That applied to companies (Bullshit Jo

In my experience, the union's interest is more in keeping the union alive.

Unions in Europe represent individuals and not companies. Anyone who wants can join a union and let the union represent them. Therefore there is no point in trying to hurt unionization efforts etc, because there is no switch to flop, workers will slowly go there if they feel they benefit from it.

You might want to do some reading on why unions came about in the first place.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_union

Right, Unions work differently in different countries. Unions in the US spread the management is always evil message, and treats all negations as a hostile encounter. As a result many of us in the US have a bad impression of unions. However in Europe they tend to be less hostile and so make more sense both for the company and the workers. Different contexts mean different results from what looks like the same thing.