Historical Jesus Debate

> Jesus is not fictional.Strong claims require strong evidence. Some book written by many, some properly delusional or crazy folks, claiming various outlandish things not physically possible these days (staying away from word "lies" but not too far, basic physics laws worked the same 2000 years ago).Or preaching behavior absolutely unacceptable these days (Old testament would force you to be murderer pretty quickly nowadays, and I haven't heard a single Christian rejectin

everything looks ok, except for Jesus is not being historical part, he just need to read more books

The evidence which I described as ‘anecdotal’ starts a mere twenty or thirty years after Jesus’s death, and comes from sources who didn’t have any particular interest in promoting the Christian agenda. It seems that I may be unlikely to convince you, but if you’ve already got a strong opinion on this it might help to come at it from the other direction and start with h

None of those things are true. The earliest known manuscripts of any biblical text post-dates Jesus by 300 years. There are no eyewitness accounts in existence. Non-biblical scholars did not write about Jesus and the only mentions that we have of his existence are from someone who was shown to forge documents (Josephus) and Roman documents using general terms that refer to a criminal as "someone claiming to be the Messiah" rather than a specific person who was making those claim

thanks for engaging, but you did skip over my most interesting question: is that opinion informed as a believer or as historian?> Does not bring any particular degree of enlightenment regarding the life or teachings of Jesus, nor the founding or early history of the Christian church or religion.have you read mary or judas? in coptic?they are fascinating if only from the perspective of enlightenment regarding the life or teachigns of jesus, and shine a light on the early machinations

1. Primary sources dated as close as 22-25 years and as late as 70 years after the event of Jesus' death and resurrection.22-25 years is still a very long time before any written records emerge. And it's eveb longer before John emerges, the real gunslinger of the gospels when it comes to miracles and religion. The gospels we have are not primary sources anyway - their authorship is very dubious.2. Thousands of transcribed copies in several ancient languages, from different

As belter mentions, all those scholars are biased by their own christian beliefs. There's no archaeological evidence and no Roman or Jewish historian mentions him, at least no mention that hasn't proven to be a medieval addition. The only sources are the gospels, which are not only biased, but they're not contemporary since the author's of the gospels were born between 50 and more than 100 years after the alleged death of Jesus. Let that sink in, the authors of the gospels di

There's actually not real evidence that Jesus even existed. The "official" gospels were chosen in the council of Nicaea in the year 325. There were lots of other gospels wildly contradicting each other, which were arbitrarily dismissed. Even the chosen gospels contradict each other. The writers of the gospels were born between 50 and more than 100 years after the alleged story they're telling. No roman or jew historian of the time even mentions Jesus, and some mentions usuall

It’s hard to be sure of anything that happened so long ago, but there’s plenty of anecdotal evidence, and scholars almost universally agree that there was at least a person by that name doing things in the area at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus" rel="nofollo

The "historical Jesus" is pretty poorly attested though. Yes, it is possible that such a person existed, but there are no, absolutely zero, contemporary records of such a person existing. The Gospels were written decades (or even over a century) after he was said to have lived. So did Paul, Josephus, and Tacitus -- they weren't contemporary either. What can be attested is that a few decades after Jesus was said to have lived that there was a group of people claiming that he