Women in Programming
The cluster discusses the historical shift of programming from a female-dominated 'women's work' field to a male-dominated profession, debates on reasons for current gender imbalances like interest differences, culture, and sexism, and the push for more women in tech.
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It's because it used to be considered "womens work", similar to clerical work. Then companies did research and found that the best programmers were usually introverts, so they started advertising and pushing to get more men into the field because women tended to be more social, or would want to leave school/work to start a family. So it shifted and became "mens work", and women naturally assumed it wasn't for them because there weren't many people saying
You need to look at the history of it all. There wasn't the freedom back then, that we have now, where women could choose their profession based on personal interest. Back then programmers were women. It wasn't considered a man's job [1].[1] https://www.history.com/articles/coding-used-to-be-a-womans-.
Eastern European here: in 2003 when I joined a computer science university I had ~15% female colleagues; as the net salaries for programmers have reached ~70% of the western european levels(while average salaries are nowhere near that level), I see about 40% of the interns being females. So, this might not be politically correct, but yeah, I think women pursue safe, well-trodden paths while men are much more likely to be single-minded risk takers.
"The reason there aren’t more women computer scientists is because there aren’t more women computer scientists."The reason is, that programming changed from a badly payed women job in the 70s to a highly payed men job in the 80s. Nearly no man would work as a coder today, if we assume old female salaries. The personal computer created the lony male computer autistic - and this culture change, together with the male elbow and sexism drove women out of coding.
Ask women and you'll find that most aren't interested in programming a computer all day. Which one could argue is a sane choice. If anything it's more sane.Stop trying to make them feel like something is wrong if they don't have this inclination. Males and females have different preferences on average, some as early as birth[1]. This is not a bad thing.For the ones that want to program all day, obviously they should be welcomed and any company that doesn't is doing
There's zero reason why in computer science and tech women and men should have so drastically different ratios. Even back in the day programming was seen as a women's job.
The explanation I've seen a lot is that once men realized computers could be used for more than trivial math they took over the field. It's obviously more nuanced but I do think it's mostly out of sexism, which is why organizations like Girls Who Code are so valuable.
People often make reference to a time when programmers were predominantly women, say roughly the 50s-70s but I don't get the impression most younger people personally know someone whose career was largely during that era.I do/did, and the reason she ended up as a programmer was because she wasn't considered for an engineering program (because they already had a woman studying engineering) and had to take a math scholarship instead.If we want to continue to live in a w
I am not disputing that there exists differences in vocational choices between genders. Programming as a discipline is a textbook sociological example though: it was women's work when it was thought as "gruntwork", and then became men's work when it got prestigious enough, almost overnight (in historical scales). If ever there exists some biological predispositions towards programming, they are largely overriden by sociological factors, to the point that using biology to expl
Note: I really would like an answer for the first question. What's the reason that everyone seems obsessed over getting more women into programming?Why do people care so much about having lots of women work in the software industry?Seriously, there seems to be this desire to get women into programming. If women really were into programming they would get into it despite the 'sexist creeps'. It might surprise all the people here but a lot of industries (like real estate and sales) have a LO