Climate Change Doomerism
Debates on whether climate change will cause human extinction, civilization collapse, or mass death versus claims that such fears are overblown hyperbole, often contrasted with AI risks.
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The assertion that climate change will result in human extinction is of course not literally true. But given our current path it is not a ridiculous hyperbole. The consequences we are talking about is the inability to grow food in much of the southwest United States, Mediterranean regions and large areas of mainland China. Not to mention the collapse of a healthy ocean ecosystem, storm variability, etc... This really is an event that will alter the way of life of everyone on Earth and kill a who
> The ONLY answer, live your life like there's no tomorrow because chances are is there isn't going to be.The problem with this attitude is that it prevents you from solving problems that might actually affect the odds of humans making it to tomorrow or any other near-term date. Right now it looks as if we're in the run-up to World War III. [0] Perhaps we should spend a little energy preventing that. Or perhaps aquifer exhaustion, a long-standing issue exacerbated by
The AI doomerism is definitely overblown, but I don't think the same is true of climate change. It won't be a fast extinction by any means, but if the heaps of scientific evidence are to be trusted, we are rapidly losing leeway to feasibly reverse/mitigate the consequences.Only looking at deaths up to this point is like seeing an empty road, walking onto it, and texting people while standing still.
Humanity isn’t “doomed”. Climate change may affect hundreds of millions and even so it is far away from an existential threat to humans. It also isn’t something that should cause someone to lose the ability to function day-to-day. That suggests immaturity, fragility, and a cognitive distortion (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/catastrophizing).
Speaking as a converted climate skeptic, the person who finally convinced me that this is real and serious overdid it and convinced me that we'll be seeing massive famines, extinctions, and widespread death as biomes shift around worldwide in the next 30 years or so, within our lifetimes.Since the only way to stop this would be to actually reverse damage already done, requiring worldwide effort never seen in history to perform actions that may be scientifically impossible, I think it
Even the scariest climate warnings predict some 10% of people dying over 100 years. Hardly world extinction event.In fact, today we have the opposite current, where climate people start talking about how the future is not that scary after all, after realizing that they scared everybody out of having children:https://www.nytimes.com/2
The problem is that when it comes to emissions and the resulting climate change, it won't be a smooth self-correction but rather sharp and catastrophic. I believe we've already reached the point of no return and the greenhouse effect is out of control (north pole ice not recovering, permafrost melting, etc).We'll see drastic climate change happening everywhere. It'll probably have little effect on "us" in the west; probably limited to local tragedies because of e
The climate crisis will probably only wipe poor humans out. I'd also say that it is a rather new phenomenon (the last generation) where people have started worrying about climate change. We are starting to take action. The next generation could already be a lot more sustainable.
It will be hard, for many places on Earth it will be catastrophic.Civilization won't end tho.Some of these estimates are absurd, which only makes the case for fighting climate change harder to make - same as overblown estimates of the COVID epidemic and of the effectiveness of the vaccine made it harder to handle future pandemics effectively.The most important wrong estimate is the growth of population and associated growth of consumption of everything. Population will start to dec
"but the impending end of the world seems like a more pressing concern". While climate change may lead to a mass extinction event that will likely wipe out a lot of species, including our own, it will not likely lead to the end of the world. Isn't it the short term thinking you are advocating here that lead us into this situation to begin with?