Income-Based Traffic Fines

Discussions center on scaling fines for traffic violations like speeding and parking proportional to the offender's income to ensure equal deterrence across wealth levels, frequently citing Finland's system and critiquing flat fines or revenue-driven policing.

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ryukafalz May 20, 2022 View on HN

Do it like Finland and scale the fines based on income: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/in-finland-speeding-t...

confidantlake Jan 5, 2021 View on HN

Some countries actually do this, charge variable fines depending on net worth. The fine in this case is to de-incentivize bad behavior like reckless driving.

alkonaut Jan 19, 2018 View on HN

Traffic violations fees should be proportional to income to really be painful to rich people. See e.g Finland.

gen220 May 22, 2023 View on HN

Not sure if you're aware, but some fines in some jurisdictions actually work this way [1].[1]: https://www.euronews.com/2023/01/04/finlands-progressive-pun....

jcnnghm May 7, 2013 View on HN

There isn't enough manpower to fine everyone doing anything wrong every day. Parking fines are generally much higher than the parking cost because it's impractical to catch every illegally parked vehicle every time; the whole idea is to make the expected cost of parking illegally greater than the expected cost of parking legally, while limiting the cost of enforcement. Similarly, I am under no delusion that speeding is fine on days I don't get caught.

Aunche Aug 24, 2018 View on HN

I think it would be a good idea to reduce the fines of those in or close to poverty and subsidize that by increasing fines for the wealthy. That said, what Finland is doing is ridiculous. A fine for speeding shouldn't cost several times the cost of an accident. It also gives police the wrong incentives. Why bother pulling over a beater car when they aren't going pay a fine? Might as well tailgate a Rolls Royce and cite them when they inevitably make a minor infraction.

lupire Aug 5, 2023 View on HN

Bad example. Speeding fines are set to be low enough to not deter you, and be lower than the transaction costs of fighting them, so the government can maintain a revenue source.

lordnacho Nov 14, 2022 View on HN

How about fines that scale with income?

Brian_K_White Mar 25, 2024 View on HN

Perhaps the problem is that we us the same money for both necessities and luxuries.It allows assholes to decide to see everything as a luxury that someone they don't like doesn't deserve.There is nothing about a traffic infraction that requires money as the penalty, instead of say, an annoying class or community service, or limiting their use of a vehicle to work or school, which is a thing that is done sometimes.Money is just easy for the administrator at the (no pun) expense

distances Aug 27, 2019 View on HN

I'm from a country with so-called day fines: a fine is a multiplier of your daily earnings. It boggles my mind that a similar system isn't in use everywhere. It's easy to understand and fair to everyone; a deterrent against infractions independent of your income.