Society Without Government

Comments debate the feasibility of anarchy or a society without formal government, arguing it leads to violence, power vacuums, and chaos while emphasizing the necessity of state authority and enforcement.

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candiodari Feb 8, 2019 View on HN

You mean a society without a government at all ?

imtringued Nov 2, 2021 View on HN

All humans enforce laws with physical interactions, especially violent ones. If you have no central governing body then every human makes their own rules and laws and when they enforce these rules they will be just as violent as the governments they wanted to run away from.

bena Sep 11, 2018 View on HN

You have a very naive view of other people.You're the one basically imagining our society but with government and "governmental law enforcement" suddenly removed. Everyone will just behave because we don't have police, but for some reason we all have laws we all agree on.But you coincidentally don't remove "laws", because those are important to keep. But we all enforce the laws because of reasons...Assuming your opponents are weaker, less intelligent,

AnthonyMouse Nov 29, 2018 View on HN

"Imagine if there were no governments" is a category error. There are always governments, not all of them are formal. Whoever has the most mercenaries can make rules.The thing that works is to have a coercive force which is primarily used to quell other large coercive forces. So you have a police force that prevents violence etc.But it needs to be limited in scope, because it has no natural predators. It's always tempting to use the coercive force for where <

wittycardio Jan 19, 2022 View on HN

No it's actually the opposite, modern societies are the product of an all pervasive state that has the power to curtail bad behaviour. In any modern Western country the most powerful institution is the state. Now of course you need a somewhat de centralized state i.e. not too much power in the hands of a single person but the overall institution has to be very powerful. That is the system that has lead to modern success , not your libertarian fantasy, which actually existed for most of hist

rayiner Jul 23, 2013 View on HN

Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, etc.I love white people who are satiated by the blessings of good government that they can talk, without irony, about how they don't need government. I don't meet many anarchists from my part of the world...The state of human nature is lawlessness and violence. The only thing keeping society from collapsing into the hell that people in those countries live with is the collective force of the majority asserted through government.Anarchy sounds d

MattGaiser Oct 9, 2023 View on HN

No laws but also plenty of rules, but no government to enforce those rules?

krapp Dec 20, 2014 View on HN

You appear to be arguing a false dichotomy as well, that there's no middle ground between anarchy and fascism.Inevitably, complex societies bring the opportunity for people to organize themselves into power structures, and a power vacuum will be filled. People form societies with governments on the premise that having a system of laws and agents to enforce those laws is a better framework to live by than what came before, where rather than a state, the primary force of violent coercion w

fsloth Jan 14, 2015 View on HN

Someone always has the de facto authority to wield violence.In modern society, this authority is the state.In Dread Pirate Robert's universe, no authority should wield violence... except Dread Pirate and his associates if it suites them.Libertarian and anarchistic ideologies start from the wish that no-one would wield violence and all would be equal.Unfortunately, how real world scenarios evolve is that existing system is replaced by chaos, from which a few entities reach politi

talmand Nov 3, 2015 View on HN

Without a structured government, then the people are the "government", so to speak, and vigilante justice would not be so vigilante.