AI Consciousness Debate
The cluster centers on philosophical debates about whether AI systems, LLMs, or computers can achieve consciousness, including definitions, emergence from computation, comparisons to human/animal minds, and challenges in proving or detecting it.
Activity Over Time
Top Contributors
Keywords
Sample Comments
You have to explain consciousness in humans before you can tell me it has arisen in silicon chips
What if consciousness is an irreducible property of matter? What if computers are already conscious, and their experience of executing code is analogous to our experience of thinking? How could we ever tell the difference?
I'm trying to say there's no sufficient evidence either way.The mechanism by which our consciousness emerges remains unresolved, and inquiry has been moving towards more fundamental processes: philosophy -> biology -> physics. We assumed that non-human animals weren't conscious before we understood that the brain is what makes us conscious. Now we're assuming non-biological systems aren't conscious while not understanding what makes the brain conscious.We
We don't even have true consciousness so why should we have true AI. Thats not how things work IMO.
Really? They count that as consciousness?
A lot of people here seem pretty confused about what you can actually claim about consciousness based on external observation. As far as we can tell, consciousness is an emergent phenomenon of complex interconnected systems like neurons in a brain or maybe processing units in a supercomputer. If you want to say "it's not sentient because this is a non-sequitor, that's a leading question, it clearly doesn't actually understand what it's being asked or saying" then th
The ai has created a functional internal model of an external system based on limited sensory input. That is essentially a kind of consciousness.
If an LLM could be "conscious in an LLM way", then why not the same, mutatis mutandis, for an ordinary computer program?
I agree. Especially given the recent development of consiousness theory bestowing the likelihood of consiousness upon all animals and even perhaps inanimate objects. I.e., if you can answer the question βwhat would it be like to exist as...β a tree, a dog, a river, a GAN? Then the case may be made that existence as such a thing must involve consiousness. If consiousness is a product of (or a phenomena within) material reality, why not say computers and computer programs are conscious?Perhaps
I humbly suggest you are committing the fallacy of anthropomorphizing humans. What's your definition of consciousness? How do you know that a (sufficiently complex) biologically inspired computer program doesn't have it? What's special about meat?