US-EU-China Geopolitics
The cluster discusses tensions in US-EU relations amid competition with China, focusing on trade dependencies, technological reliance, strategic autonomy, and fears that US policies could push the EU toward closer ties with China.
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What if this drives the eu into the hands of China? How does that help the US versus china?
For the EU it's really just the question if you want to be spied on by the US or by China. In recent years, trade with China has probably helped the economy much more than trade with the US. At the same time, China (while certainly acting out of self interest), is somewhat predictable in their actions.Europeans are really critical of China and their policies (esp. their human rights record). But they don't like the US that much more (apart from the Brits) and with a struggling econo
EU has its own issues such as Brexit, lack of fiscal union, Greece, Italy debt, unemployment, slow growth, no immigration policy, no common foreign policy etc. When you talk about EU you really talk about 27 member states not some kind of United States of Europe.The EU it's not really in the mood of taking short term hits unless is threatened(i.e with tariffs).Not to mention that it supports Trump stance on China as it suffers the same unfair treatment(i.e IP theft, closed markets, du
China is highly dependent on the EU and the US for trade. The EU is the biggest trading bloc in the world. The EU has a lot of leverage.The problem is that China trivially buys off a single member state to nix things like this from happening, as the EU must agree unanimously on these matters.
As I explained in my response I want EU to become more independent from UShttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30688930
Because its not in the interest of the US that EU think that way. Thats what a lot of the trade deals that the US has imposed on the rest of the world.
It's mutually assured destruction. The EU doesn't want to lose billions of dollars in trade either.
It's going to push the EU and China closer together -- exactly the opposite of what the USA should be trying to make happen.
Is there anything that EU can do about this. It's biggest economy is still a vassal state.Till you depend on America for protection you will have to play by their rules.What I believe Americans are confused about European reluctance to protect themselves.We recently saw Chinese threatening politician from Checz republic. Other European nations still welcomed the group.
To the majority of citizens in Europe, the US under Trump is very different from the US that was considered a valued partner in the past.Plus it might be insanely profitable to stand with China when it comes to chip and gadget production.So a decision to deny US interests would both have a huge upside and be popular with the majority of voters.