Russian War Support Debate
Discussions debate whether ordinary Russians support Putin's invasion of Ukraine, distinguishing between the regime and populace, citing approval ratings, protests, propaganda, and HN downvoting biases.
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Youβre getting unfairly downvoted, HN seems to have weird groupthink on Russia. I have heard this exact thing from other people who have lived in Russia, and it is a legitimate point of view.
> It's not projecting to postulate that maybe, just maybe, Russians (in aggregate, individual exceptions likely exist) are just okay with that.just like germans were ok with nazis; italians, spanish, portuguese, with fascists; americans, brits, dutch, french, with slave ownersi mean honnestly, is russia worst than the nato country turkey? not to mention the faithful western ally saudi arabia? is donbas really that different from kosovo? who are we kidding with this virtue hypocricy
You're no better then Russia then, just think of it. Only you don't enjoy the general public' understanding that the government is your enemy and friends must be protected from it.
It's interesting to contrast comments like this in this thread, with the amount of hatred and abuse heaped upon Russians on the day of Russia's invasion - not just the Russian state, but a big chunk of comments that made it clear that they held all Russians responsible for it and would like to see their lives destroyed. And had relatively little pushback against them.I agree with the sentiment of your second paragraph, but I wish that thought applied in general, and not just to some
>This is a callous viewpoint. My heart goes out to the Russian citizens living in an effective dictatorship.You call me callous, that's fine. It would seem others agree with you as I'm quite downvoted. I have a surprising number of Russian interests like Chess. The Russian chess community rejected this war.We have to remember that our liberal democratic way isn't the only way. It is not our place to tell other countries how to run their countries. That is up to the Russia
It's literally what a bunch of population really believe in. i been couch surfing livejournal (which is mostly russian those days). it's real believe and desire of many russian people. right now a bunch of them saying "he made a right call, we need to go all the way through it, and sanctions will make us stronger and independent". and no, it's not trolls for hire. it's people that been posting this kind of stuff for 15 years
When people say stuff like this, I'm inclined to make the distinction between the Russian state and the Russian people. Russia isn't a democracy, so its actions don't necessarily represent the will of the Russian people. And indeed, tens of thousands risk imprisonment by protesting the war, and this gives me hope. However, I've been really bummed lurking on r/AskARussian where many Russians perspectives read like, "I don't like Putin and I don't support th
That's easy: Russia is leaning pretty hard anti-west right now, and if any of it's citizens are doing anything to annoy anything from the west, they will cheerfully let it continue so long as it doesn't cause them problems at home.
russia is desperately begging everybody to hate them. Why are they like this?
I think it's more directed to the regime not valuing citizen lives rather than racism against Russians?