Israel-Hamas War Debate
Comments debate the October 7th Hamas attack on Israel, Israel's military response in Gaza, civilian casualties due to human shields, accusations of genocide, and justifications for targeting Hamas.
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It’s comparing apples and oranges, since Hamas deliberately targets Israeli civilians, while using Palestinian civilians as human shields. Many Palestinian casualties are Hamas’s fault, not IDF.
I was responding first and foremost to the assertion that such attacks were merely "possible". I demonstrated that they are actual. They put real people who have nothing to do with this war at risk due to actual antisemitic behavior.Your characterization of military action against military targets in Gaza as mass murder is an interpretation, but not a reasonable one. Israel was attacked by thousands of Hamas soldiers. Hamas governs Gaza (poorly, and undemocractically, but they do go
I think the point is that it shows that Hamas doesn't prioritize the life of its citizens. Israel is not right to bomb Gaza, just like Hamas wasn't right to massacre hundreds in Israel. Hamas likely did their actions knowing that Israel's response would be extreme.
You would start by not sending them money. Unless of course you needed a justification for your political/expansionist goals.https://archive.ph/2023.10.14-033824/https:/
I think you have to take under consideration that Hamas has been attacking Israel for decades with little repercussions. I think they crossed a redline and convinced Israel much worse than a few rockets being lobbed over the wall was the future and Israel answered them with the only thing that Hamas understands, annihilation. I'm still convinced that Israel does not want civilian casualties of regular, non Hamas aligned Palestinians, because they absolutely would be killing a lot more of th
Israel did a lot of bad things. In this particular case it's doing something that's generally right.Destroying the Hamas is 100% the right thing to do. It's an evil movement that must be eliminated, there's no middle ground here or two sides. To qualify the difference in levels lets look at the situation over the past week. Israel told civilians to move out of the northern part of Gaza so they won't get hurt. Hamas blocked the roads so civilians won't leave.Th
I don’t think that most (nearly all?) pro Palestine critics are saying that Hamas is in the right. All of the wording I’ve seen was focused on Israel’s and the IDFs response and actions. As you’ve mentioned, killing civilians is a war crime.Many civilized nations have military installations, such as headquarters and office facilities, co-located and intermixed with civilian facilities. They also have military bases and complexes, but the intermixing is not unique to Hamas.When the Palestin
The thousands of civilians murdered in Gaza, the people getting killed in the West Bank haven't "plotted" anything. Starving people is a war crime, not war. Nobody, literally nobody ever at any point in this debtate, is talking about how Israel is treating Hamas. You have as much as an argument as Putin saying he just wanted to denazify the Ukraine.
Yes, Hamas attacked, killed and kidnapped people in a terror attack to protest this. Also to have hostages to exchange for some of their own. And yes, these "own" are Hamas members and not the innocent bystanders. Was there ever any doubt about this?None of that justifies, again, the levelling of Gaza, the starving of around 500,000 people and the deliberate targeting of civilians who have nothing to do with any of that.You what works? Identifying the purpetrators, prosecuting an
Hi All, I am a combat soldier and commander in the IDF currently fighting in Gaza.We are not committing any genocide. The give away for Genocide is that there are mass graves, which in Gaza there are not.Yes there is collateral damage because Hamas uses civilians as human shields, so we have no choice but to kill them too, but we do not specifically target them.We risk ourselves and our soldiers to ensure that the fewest number of non-combatants get killed. We have lost many of our own