Christmas Secular Debate

I guess it's like Christmas; it's the tradition that matters, not the exact date.

You can celebrate Christmas without Santa Claus.

Maybe at Christmas it doesn't matter so much?

calm down mate, the people running the site are free to choose, i dont see shops here generally getting decorated up for other holidays.i am not religious in any way so i have no connection to any but the thing is christmas has kind of gone beyond that, youll find that while celebrations for the likes of chinese new year, eid, diwali etc are being noticed around the world now, countries the world over with minimal connection to Christianity still "celebrate" christmas, even if you g

Is it surprising to you that not everyone celebrates Christmas?

Well, it's christmas. Although I'm an atheist, HN has put on its holiday suit and I don't feel like pressing this point any further. My apologies to the OP and to yourself, if my earlier comment sounded too curmudgeonly. I'm really the Grinch that stole Christmas, so don't mind me :)

Christmas isn't an inherent human feature.

It's an extreme case, but that's kind of the point of Christmas, and the winter festivals it evolved from.

Christmas isn't Christian

Thanks for the response. I don't intend to get into a protracted debate here, but would like to point out that the winter solstice holiday we call "Christmas" was itself appropriated from various traditions, esp. "Saturnalia" as practiced by the Romans. In modern times, countless non-religious homes in the US feature "advent calendars", with tiny treats hidden behind numbered doors. They -- like santa, elves, gift-giving, and "christmas" trees -- have