Tech Unions Debate
The cluster discusses the advantages and disadvantages of unions for tech and developer employees, focusing on power imbalances between workers and companies, mandatory membership, negotiation rights, and legal aspects of unionization.
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Union is just another body to govern you, as if the company you work for is not enough. Just from the article I can see they support all kind of political agendas which me or others might not agree with. So no thanks, will rather deal directly with the company only, anyways at the end of the day the market forces dictate the conditions of a worker.
Unless they're part of a union which is a problem for their employer.
How does being union stop you from negotiating for yourself or switching employers?
A union doesn't have to necessarily regulate wages - just be a source for developer grievance against companies that generate value from their work. Also consider that you don't have to be a part of the union if you don't agree with its principles. The only power a union has is from his members willing to negotiate collectively, there's nothing more to it.
Unions don't have that power last I checked, and there is nothing that requires an employer to sign away their ability to seek unaffiliated workers.Just as there is nothing forcing a worker to join a Union. The only thing is, if you don't join, you don't get the benefit of collective bargaining.
The part of I don't like is that unions are given monopoly status within the company.Most of the unions I've seen aren't voluntary. When I was in grad school, I was forced to pay dues into the union. I don't like that. I think there should be as many unions as employees like. I don't understand how the union can be understood to be negotiating on my behalf if I can't choose not to have them negotiate on my behalf.Once the union has negotiated a budget for itse
Forcing is a strong word here.If you're a member of a union and the union says please don't do X, and you're aligned with the union, then you will be happy to not do X. This isn't a forceful action nor is it the workers decision, it's this greyish thing between the black and white. The members of the union could have a vote and change direction to do X if they wanted, but why would workers defend a company trying to get around a model that's resulted in one of th
- "Hi, we decided to change the terms of your contract and you have to sign this document right now... or else."- "Sorry, I need to talk with he Union first to see what my options."- "Hi, we decided that you need to come to work all the weekends in March and we still have to decide if we will pay for the overtime and how much".- "Mmm... Well, let me ask the Union, but I think that this is not going to happen... I actually had lots of plans for the week
How would a union harm employees?
The entire underlying premise of a union is that:1. In any negotiation the idea of a single individual vs. a giant company like Tesla in this particular example is about as clear as an example of a textbook power disparity as you can imagine. Like you just donβt have any kind of meaningful influence.2. Employers are by their nature going to act in their own interests.3. The interests of the employer and the employee are going to be in conflict at least some of the time.Therefore, by