Toxic Masculinity Debate

People are encouraged by society to discriminate against men.

See the subject of "patriarchy hurts men too". (Not the phrase itself, but the whole discussion that is an index to)

This is a discussion about toxic masculinity, which is a set of social constructs enforced by men upon men. Of course women are part of reinforcing gender stereotypes, it's just a separate issue.The idea is that if there weren't social pressures enforcing gender roles, then lots of negative social aspects of masculinity could go away, and men wouldn't be shunned as elementary school teachers, or discouraged from seeking help for emotional issues. I don't understand why any

What does this attitude have to do with being male? They have children also. A woman could just as easily have this viewpoint and your anecdotal story doesn't provide any evidence to the contrary. Calling this toxic masculinity isn't just incorrect, it shows that you have a problem with masculinity and are trying to attribute all kinds of negative actions to it.

I'm not trying to be disagreeable or abrasive, but this does not track with my experience. Bring up a women's issue, and it's societies problem. Bring up a men's issue and you'll quickly be invalidated or told 'men need to fix this issue themselves!'

I feel less charitable. In the last couple of decades, there has been meaningful change in people adhering to traditional gender roles. Especially in the last 10 years, I have seen a huge push to break the cultural acceptance of toxic masculinity. Pretending that men would be less familiar or feel it less intensely, in this day and age, is continuing the underlying themes of toxic masculinity. It's not just disheartening, it's disrespectful. I understand arguing that it affects women d

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here? Do you doubt their findings? I think everyone (esp us men) should be aware of the effects ̶p̶̶a̶̶t̶̶r̶̶i̶̶a̶̶r̶̶c̶̶h̶̶y̶ social constructs around masculinity can have on your behavior.

I have a different perspective on this:I'm a man who's currently deeply lonely, depressed, and struggling with poor self-esteem. I hear feminists talking about "toxic masculinity". But none of what they say feels applicable to me. I've never been violent; I'm currently trying therapy for the third time; and I can't remember even a single time when someone told me to "man up". So, while I'm sure toxic masculinity is a real problem for some men,

You have a warped view of masculinity. Some may call it toxic, even.

Nothing will be done about this because it's very difficult to get men to admit that they're less masculine. It's like the way women are up in arms about unrealistic portrayal in the media, with airbrushing and so on of celebrity photos. Meanwhile you've got Men's Health magazine saying every month "get a six-pack in 2 weeks or you are a LOSER" and men just accept it. Feminists have basically hijacked a whole range of issues that actually affect everyone - and created a generation of males witho